The Classical Editor Toolbox

This is a list of tools, tips and suggestions to make the life of a classical editor easier and the edits better. It’s intended for everyone interested in cleanup tasks, but most of it should be useful for everyone who edits classical releases at all.

It’s by necessity a long post - don’t feel like you need to check it all in one go! (but you really, really want to be using scripts). If anything useful seems missing, reply with the info and I’ll probably add it here :slight_smile:

Asking

This might sound obvious, but it’s worth keeping in mind: this is a community project, and if you have a doubt that you can’t find an answer to, you can just ask! This forum is the perfect place for that. There are no stupid questions, the only thing that can be stupid is having to change everything later because you made the wrong guess :slight_smile:

Relationships

More than anything else in here, it’s important to remember one thing: relationships are where all the really useful information for classical music is stored. If you don’t go into the relationship editor (“Edit relationships”, on the sidebar) after adding a new release, you’re only adding the most basic data, so if you can spare the time, please add relationships.

The relationship editor has a lot of things going on, so you might want to either read our text guide or watch our video guide before (or while) adding relationships.

Style guidelines

Annoying as it might feel sometimes, knowing the style guidelines is important for proper classical editing! While everyone should check the whole set of guidelines when in doubt, the main points:

The titles shouldn’t include the composers or performers. Yes, there are exceptions (the title of Glenn Gould Plays Bach is clearly just that), but unless the names are clearly part of the title, don’t add them there. That includes things like a cover that says “Beethoven” in one line and “Piano Sonatas” in the second - that’s “Piano Sonatas”, not “Beethoven: Piano Sonatas”.


The release artists should be on the cover. Even if all of an album is performed by the same performer, if they don’t get credited on the front cover, that’s relationship-only info! Also, don’t forget you can change how an artist is credited. If the release is in English, don’t leave the original Russian or Japanese name, use the version of the name the release uses.

Remember to separate composers from performers with a semicolon (;) and each composer and performer from each other with a comma (,). No ampersands!


The track titles for work movements and the like should generally include the main work title, if the release itself mentions it (for example, above the group of tracks for that work). If it’s not printed anywhere, then don’t add it!


The track artist should be the composer from each track. As with the release artist, remember you can use credits here! Many people also add any arrangers for the track here - that’s not specifically in the guidelines, but it seems widely accepted as better than keeping that information on the title.


The recording artists should (ideally) be the performers. You should rarely need to do this by hand! For more info on that, see the scripts section below.

In any case, if you add the performer relationships, this part is very minor and easily done by anyone else later. Just make sure you don’t unset already corrected recording artists while editing a release! Hint: you will almost never want to use the “Copy all track artist credits to associated recordings” option when editing classical music.

One thing I’d suggest is to only do this (run the script or otherwise change the recording artists) if you’re also linking to works (or if there’s no way to tell what the work might be). While recordings listed under the composer are not ideal, they are good at signalling “there’s more to do here!” so that another editor can come and finish working on them. Once they are moved to the performers, it becomes less likely that somebody will fix them further, unless they happen to stumble upon that specific release. So as a rule of thumb, it’s better to only change the recording artists once you’re fairly sure there’s nothing else that can be reasonably added without someone having the release booklet in front of them :slight_smile:


When adding works, remember only the main work is a Sonata or a Symphony, not every movement of it. It’s fine to not set a work type for everything! If it doesn’t fit any option, leave it empty.

The work guidelines are long and somewhat complicated, but one thing to keep in mind is that you should only add arrangements as works if the arrangement has been recorded multiple times. Adding something that is published and available (so it could at least be recorded multiple times) is generally acceptable, but don’t add a new arrangement work for everything.


For English titles, both for releases and works, remember our language guidelines. We lowercase “op.” and “no.”, “major” and “minor”, and “-sharp” and “-flat” are both lowercase and preceded by a hyphen. This is fairly minor all things considered, but try to keep it in mind!

Pretty much every other language (even German!) seems to prefer lowercase “op.” as well, but “no.” is very much a language-depending abbreviation. Follow the appropriate guideline and, if there’s none, do whatever makes sense in the language.

Scripts

I can honestly say I couldn’t imagine editing classical music in MusicBrainz without scripts anymore. I think that’s true of many of the more dedicated editors, but everyone could probably use most if not all of the following scripts. To use them you’ll generally need Greasemonkey or Tampermonkey on Firefox, and Tampermonkey on Chrome / Chromium.

NB: some scripts are broken with Greasemonkey on the latest versions of Firefox but work with Tampermonkey.

For linking works:

  • Guess related works in batch tries to guess the right work for each track of a release rather than having you search for each one by hand. That saves time, but make sure it has picked the right work! A second option in the script is much safer and still very useful: you can select some tracks, give it an existing work, and it’ll link every track to the appropriate movement of that work (following the part order). For something like the Goldberg Variations that is much, much simpler than picking them one by one!

  • Set relation attributes allows you to select some recordings and set their work relationships as live and/or partial. If you see a live album where the works haven’t been marked as such, this is a one-click fix.

For dealing with dates:

  • Copy dates on recording relations allows you to enter a date into one relationship per track, and let the script copy it to all the relationships where it’s relevant. Since we generally want the date on all performance-related relationships, that’s a huge time-saver.

  • Relatedly, Paste-A-Date lets you just copy and paste any date straight from your data, without having to type in the year, month and day separately, which can be annoying often!

For fixing work info:

  • Replace subwork titles and attributes lets you change parts of the title of every part of a work in one go from the parent work’s edit page. Imagine someone had accidentally added every single work of the Goldberg Variations as “Guldberg Variations” instead. With this script, you could just go into the main work and tell it to change “Guldberg” in all the part titles to “Goldberg”, making it one step rather than 32! You can also use the same script to set all parts of a work to be marked as “movement” or whatnot.

For recording credits:

  • Replace recording artists lets you take the artists linked as performers for each recording on a release and set them as that recording’s artist credit, as per the guideline. While this is not always ideal (for example, you might want to credit a quartet for the recordings, but add every musician separately in the relationships), you’ll probably be using it at least 90% of the time. There’s a similar script to do the same from an artist or work page. I generally have only used the release one since from there I can make sure I’ve just added all the needed data, but you might also get use out of this one!

For artist info:

  • Fill entity info from Wikidata / VIAF does exactly that. If an artist (or place) has a Wikipedia page, this script can fill in a lot of information for you while adding an artist (or adding info to an existing one). You need to give it a link to Wikidata, which is the knowledge base underneath Wikipedia. You can find the link on the sidebar of almost every Wikipedia page - in the English Wikipedia, the link is listed as “Wikidata item”. Or you can even just copy the Wikipedia link directly. In some cases you won’t find a Wikidata item, but the artist will have a VIAF page - some data can still be gotten from there, especially links to other databases. As always when pre-filling data, make sure it all looks correct before submitting!

For merging recordings:

  • Mass merge recordings (to install, click “Raw” over the code) lets you easily merge the recordings on two releases. Given classical recordings get re-released and included in boxsets all the time, this is a great way of making sure the recordings on all those reissues are the same without having to merge them one by one.

For importing:

There are a ton of different importers to pre-fill data from other sites and stores instead of entering it by hand. They can save a lot of time - just remember to fix the data to follow our guidelines before submitting!

Data sources

Thankfully, we’re not the only website where you can find info about classical music, and in fact you can do a surprisingly huge amount of good editing without ever holding a CD or booklet in your hands! Here’s an ever-growing list of options:

Other databases:

  • Discogs has a lot of releases, especially for contemporary classical. You can often find performer info there, and their titles usually follow the printed ones pretty closely (except for Being All Capitalised Like This - remember to change that). One thing to keep in mind: the Discogs importer struggles with stuff divided in movements sometime, so make sure your data looks fine before submitting. You might need to edit the tracklist by hand to some degree!

  • Worldcat (and smaller library databases) are great options for finding performer info for relatively obscure releases. You won’t often find full tracklists, but it’s common to have data about who performs on each work in an album. Keep in mind Worldcat aggregates data, and will sometimes have multiple entries for the same album with different amounts of information. Check them all!

  • Allmusic is not very good for almost anything. Their titles, for example, are always standardised and should never be used as-is unless you really can’t find anything more similar to the album titles. It is very good for one thing though: it has a lot of releases and it has track times for them, which makes it a useful tool for identifying a release for which we have no performer data, but where we do have a discID (or track times, in general), by comparing the track times and seeing if they match. They also have a lot of (small) covers, useful to check what artists should be credited for the release.

Large stores:

  • Amazon can be very useful, since it usually has front covers and also has back covers (with full tracklists) relatively often. Remember you can find items by barcode, so if you have a barcode in MusicBrainz, but almost no info otherwise, an Amazon barcode search is a great first step. In general, for physical products, ignore all the info on the site other than the images and the reviews, which can include useful information that can’t be found elsewhere. For digital downloads, the store data is much better and things like titles can be used relatively safely.

  • iTunes store / Apple Music can have useful track titles (although they’re not always the same as on a CD) and they will always have a front cover. The artists on the tracks are often a better way of finding performer info than on Amazon or other sites. Of course, for digital downloads they are often the primary source, and can be followed relatively closely (remember to apply the guidelines!)

  • Spotify has a huge selection of classical music available. It’s not all there, of course, and the metadata can be sketchy, but if you’re wondering if a specific track in an album has an organist playing or is a cappella, or whether the version of a work on an album is for piano or orchestra, just listening to it can be the easiest way to find out!

Label sites:

  • Naxos tend to have a lot of info available for all their releases. This includes back covers - in general, follow the back cover tracklists, rather than the ones on the page itself which usually use standardised titles. Even when a back cover is not available (for example for releases from other labels they only act as distributors for), you’ll often find performer info here. To keep in mind: they often add a leading zero to their barcodes on the entry on the site, make sure it’s printed on the back cover before adding it (it almost never is in my experience).

  • Deutsche Grammophon don’t list all their releases on their online catalogue, but when they do you can find a lot of information there. The titles are usually standardised, so find a better source if possible, but you will generally find performer info, recording locations and dates, etc. The same applies for Decca Classics, since they’re basically the same site (and indeed you can search both catalogues at the same time from either site). It’s also possible to find many (but not all) Philips Classics releases in these two catalogues.

  • Hyperion have full booklets for most of their releases (both on the main label and their Helios reissue label). Take all the information you want from them, but do not upload the booklets to the Cover Art Archive - they specifically request not to share them elsewhere. Generally, follow booklet tracklists rather than site ones. To keep in mind: CDA catalogues are Hyperion, while CDH are Helios. Reissues will include an “Originally issued on XXXX” line, which lets you create the original and the reissue at the same time most of the time.

  • Chandos have full booklets for most releases (look under Media). Generally, follow booklet tracklists rather than site ones. The information on the site itself is fairly limited, but the booklets make up for it. Make sure to assign the releases to the right sublabel if needed (Chaconne for early music, Chandos Classics for some reissues, etc).

  • BIS has limited info on their own website, but most of their booklets are available through the eClassical store.

  • Other labels providing full booklets: ATMA, Toccata, Analekta, Linn,
    NMC (you need to “purchase” the booklet, but it’s free).

Work info:

  • To find worklists and info for contemporary composers, of course the best option is often their websites. They don’t always exist though, and sometimes they’re very barebones. Other sources that can be very useful are B.R.A.H.M.S. by the IRCAM in Paris (mostly in French but relatively easy to follow), and Music Sales Classical, a consortium of publishers that have a pretty wide catalogue and a fair amount of info. Other publishers, like Schott and Boosey&Hawkes, are also useful. Very often you can find the right page at a publisher just by googling the work, but especially when trying to clean up all the data for a composer it can pay off to just figure out who’s their main publisher.

  • To find worklists for composers whose music is in the public domain, IMSLP is often one of the best options (remember to add the appropriate links to the artists and the works while at it!). Wikipedia has very complete lists for some composers too (including some contemporary ones!) but the amount of data varies wildly between composers.

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That’s an impressive guide, @reosarevok. :bowing_man:

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Great post @reosarevok

I just want to add examples of releases following the style guidelines. This one also has a lot a additional information in relationships:

You can check the release artist, track artists, recording artists… they follow what reo wrote above. Note also the recording date on the “piano”, “recorded at”, “recording of” relations are different on the two CDs… (two different recordings of the same work)

The next one shows a group as recording artist (Alban Berg Quartet) and relationships to the individual instrumentists (violinist, cellist, etc.):

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One more label/database site: Naxos Music Library has a 15 minutes free access (per day) and often has high-resolution covers / booklets available for a lot of different labels

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Also Linn Records is providing full booklets of their releases.

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I bookmarked this page :smiley:

I wish I had know how to ask. I wanted to ask so many times, but I didn’t know where to turn. I left notes on the comment fields of my edits and hoped that someone, sometime, would read them.

Where does one ask? On the forum, when you’re asking about a release you’re working on?

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Thanks for the post - only just come across it!
I suggest the following additions:
Don’t forget to see if an acoustic id exists - useful for merges and seeing how others have attributed artists - needs to be used with a bit if thought though.
Having a good MB series reflecting the composers catalogue is a good way to get at the works, as suggested IMSLP is a good start.
If one reads music, the scores at IMSLP are an excellent way of resolving ambiguous track titles!

When reviewing recordings to “clean up”, and there is no artist or work assigned, the recording artist is given the value [Unknown]. Should the work be left blank on the basis that with the information available it is unclear whether it is the main work or an arrangement?
I have come across many tracks, typically on compilations, where the main work has been assigned, but subsequent investigation identifying the RA has shown the work be an arrangement.

I would prefer us to link to something. Which of the two is actually a good question though. I’d generally go for the default unless I have a reason to suspect it’s an arrangement (like, the release is called “the best of the guitar” for a piano piece). But I can see both options and both are better than nothing IMO.

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Thank you, thank you, **Thank you**!!!:smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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Filing classical music? Why is this so complicated??? We need a genius to make this more workable.

My first post here and I am trying to ask a question about the Classical Music Style guide and the Classical Editor Toolbox.

My interest is particularly in opera where for me the performer for each track is important as it is not always easy to distinguish between different singers and with several recordings of the same work I may wish to check from my control point who is actually singing.

MusicBrainz (MB) still insists on referring to the composer as the artist even in Classical works and I have to accept that, but for the Track Artist I require the singer who I understand should be referred to as the Performer here.

MB frequently gives the names of the principal voices, usually named on the album cover, but in an opera all soloists’ names are needed even for minor parts.

There is not much information on this that I have seen yet so I am posting to ask for some help with how to do this most efficiently.

As a supplementary question, all my CD booklets are in store. I refer to these and the libretto text to find the performer details for each track. Is there any way to find this info other than digging in my store container?

Any guidance and assistance would be appreciated.

Hello, @Budgie2 . Welcome to the forums!

You ask a good question. It will perhaps get more and better attention if you create a new topic instead of adding your question to this topic. Give your new topic a descriptive title, like “Include Singer as Track Artst for Opera?”. Put it in the category “MusicBrainz Style”.

Actually, you ask two good questions. Your “supplementary question” about finding performer details for each track deserves its own topic, with its own title. That question is probably better in the category “MusicBrainz Classical” or “MusicBrainz”, rather than “MusicBrainz Style”.

Hi Jim,
Many thanks for your constructive and helpful reply.

I have done as you suggest so hopefully I should get some help with this.

Regards,
Budgie2

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Hello Budgie2,

this is possible by using the “Edit relationships” tab. You can enter the relationship type (probably “vocals”), the Artist name, and the type of vocal, i.e. Tenor, soprano, etc. I always put the role filled in the “credited as” box next to the type of vocal.

This works and nobody is complaining. It is somewhat cryptic and the information is usually available somewhere.

Have a look at the relationships of one of my recent submissions.

Regards,

Hollander

I made some additional edits on Hollanders “Orfeo” example above, notably to make sure performers only show on the Tracks/Recordings where they actually perform :slight_smile:
After having added the (vocal, orchestra, conductor) relationships, there’s a nice script that automatically adds them to the Recording Artist credits GitHub - loujine/musicbrainz-scripts: Collection of greasemonkey scripts for MusicBrainz