Hi! Bit of a ramble, but eh, it’s late and I should be writing an assignment about user studies, so don’t blame me too much.
I was reading a reasonably unrelated topic when I saw this:
Given I spend hours every day fixing existing information and trying to improve other people’s work, while fairly rarely adding new data myself, this resonates with me. It can be very exhausting to fix the same issues every day, and I realize complete newbies probably aren’t here, but most don’t seem to take me up on my “Ask if you have any doubts” edit notes either
I wrote The Classical Editor Toolbox and it seems like it’s been useful (which is awesome), but still, that’s a very static post, and it’s a forum post - people will only find it if they end up in the forum or I specifically point it to them.
I’ve noticed a few issues that take a lot of my time every day, and that most people seem to keep falling into even after I’ve told them about them and they’ve thanked me for it. I’m open to any ideas and suggestions to improve this.
Issues I’ve noticed repeatedly:
- Complete disregard for classical style
- This is mostly not out of malice or even laziness - new users just never see a guideline.
- What can we do about it now? Probably not much, since we can’t automatically know when someone is editing classical in the first place to point them to the guidelines.
- What can we do about it in the future? Once we have genres, does it make sense to pester people about the classical guidelines every time they add a release with an artist with a classical genre or the like?
- No relationship data at all, even though the user has access to it (and will provide it if I ask)
- This is not a classical-only problem, but it’s worse for classical because of how much we depend on relationships
- What can we do about it now? Redirecting straight to the relationship editor would be too invasive, but would a banner after adding a release suggesting to add relationships work?
- What can we do about it in the future? I’m really hoping @chhavi comes up with some magical idea for this one with the new UI, but any ideas about how to make relationships more visible would be great.
- “Op.”, “No.”, “Major”, and other small wrong-case issues
- This is very minor, to be fair, but many people default to capitalizing all of these despite the guidelines (at least for English) calling for lowercase.
- What can we do about it now? Wonder if some sort of confirmation / message (“you’re using uppercase ‘Op.’ in this release, but it’s marked as English and English classical guidelines call for lowercase ‘op.’” kind of thing) would be useful, or just annoying?
- What can we do about it in the future? Should we consider a return of the Classical style for guess case, but make it ignore everything except stuff like “Op.” and “Major” (and maybe the Italian tempo markings)?
- Only one release artist
- It’s very common to see only the composer, or the main performer, instead of all featured artists
- What can we do about it now? Not sure, honestly - for most non-classical releases, one artist only is correct, and as mentioned, we have no idea if something is classical right now.
- What can we do about it in the future? Once we have genres, does it make sense to say something like “if there are several artists performed on the cover, see this guideline” when they select a “classical” artist first?
- Track artist = “Composer; Performers”
- When a user does remember to do “Composer; Performers” for the release, that gets copied to all tracks - it seems it’s common to forget to change it.
- What can we do about it now? Would “you have entered ; as a join phrase on a track artist - if you’re entering a classical release, keep in mind track artist should be the composer only” somewhere help?
More in general: what do you think could be done to help people (especially new users, but it’s not only new users making mistakes) get things right? And what do you think is the best way to introduce people to stuff in the first place?
@aerozol mentioned a mentoring system - how do you see this working? I would love to have a good way to help new users, but they seem not to be very willing to ask at first.