Maybe an automated monthly email could auto activate a search for a Artistdeadname and then have an Admin notified only if there is a match found.
Which would result in the same amount of work for the Admin as when a Artist reports that their deadname has been re-added.
The extra cost to MB would seem to be in setting up and maintaining the āemail-> autosearch-> notify admin if instance foundā process. This one process would work for all artists seeking removal of re-added deadnames (and for any other instances where a name needs to be kept out of the db).
As I said Iām no coder but it would seem a cool thing to create. Iām thinking that MB IRC would be the place to see if this kite gets any love.
Iāve been gone from editing for a while, but now Iām back. Unfortunately, it seems like that there are no editing guidelines yet regarding this issue.
The one thing that everyone agreed with from what I can tell is that changing the name on release groups and recordings is fine. Thatās what I will do for now then. I expect those edits to go through unopposed.
if i could give my opinion, i personally think someoneās idea from a few months ago isnāt a bad idea for now. we change all credits to the new name and then add an annotation that says āoriginally credited as ___ā. i at least believe all credits should be under the new name, preserving historical names in a database isnāt worth deadnaming over. eventually, i think there should be a way for the system to completely redirect those names. for example, if you searched for patricia taxxonās deadname, it would come up with her new name and it would be hidden rather than even have to be shown in the system.
i do want to mention that chaban and tigerman325 immediately vote no on all of my edits about deadnames. they havenāt been open to any of my ideas, especially tigerman. every edit, i get a reply with the classic āfacts donāt care about your feelingsā and itās incredibly annoying. everyone here should at least try to care about trans people. transphobic ideologies are showing in many of these users.
Whatever. My points have been no less valid than yours. The only no vote I gave was on the blanket must change every single mention of the deadname. I have no issue with changing the release groups and recordings. But releases are a history point of fact and shouldnāt be retro-actively changed.
i am not bullying you. iāve been as polite as possible and iāve made sure to respect your opinion. youāve been calling me names and taking this personally when iām just trying to keep musicbrainz as respectful and accurate as possible. no bullying, just respect.
iām removing aliases because deadnames are not aliases. i meant that as an idea for later, because right now the system canāt do my idea of hidden aliases. i would be open to adding the annotations if the credit had changed. that particular artist was okay with having her older work under her deadname, so we donāt need an annotation pointing it out, especially when it was in the wikipedia page right there.
As it stands I am quite happy with leaving the original release as released (with deadname), adding a new release with their real name, and renaming all release groups, works and recordings (which is pretty great). Without needing the artists input.
This in conjunction with the other āfrom the topā agreement to completely remove the deadname if the artist asks for that seems like a solid base to edit from with minimum argument required .
Just since itās pretty case by case whether a trans artist actually wants their deadname gone.
i feel like there were issues with the duplicate release strategy, both regarding release dates (use original? date artist came out publicly as trans? date the streaming/download page updated?) and the lack of context surrounding the presentation of deadnames on release pages
Personally Iād use the date the page/release changed, as we would with a release update anyway, but Iām sure thereās a discussion to be had there. (With this approach I wouldnāt consider it a ādupeā release, I do this for changed releases all the time)
Are you still working on some code re. alternative presentation?
I feel like Iām kicking multiple hornetsā nests with bare feet here, but Iāll cave in.
May I see an URL, screenshot, or a plain text quote at least, explaining what are Patricia Taxxonās exact wishes?
Why: Even if it may seem so, I donāt wish to keep a dead name in the database if the artist feels vulnerable with us doing so. And yet, removing the alias is useless, because you can just look at the editing history, which is public.
Itās one thing if she doesnāt like being called by her old alias. That would mean enough has been done; if Iām not mistaken itās been erased from all releases.
Another completely different thing would be her employing her āright to be forgottenā, in another userās words which post I donāt feel like looking for right now.
If the requirements are fulfilled, we should aim to fix this problem as well. [Edit: You can have the opinion that we should do this without asking for confirmation. Thatās a valid opinion. Please give your opinion and debate if you so wish.]
If not, wellā¦ One click takes you to page 10, which shows her old credit already. Take that as you will.
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