Digital Release Capitalization

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So this might be a bit complainy and not too elaborated.

Recently there’s a trend to enter everyhting in capslock into MB, that is found in capslock on the digital retailers and streamers.

i stumbled upon here again:

and there’s a reason why wikipedia does not capslock Rosalia and her album: https://musicbrainz.org/release-group/bb525db3-81e4-4c05-b529-23fa05f35c12

But we don’t do it on physical releases as https://musicbrainz.org/release-group/b1392450-e666-3926-a536-22c65f834433

I think the MB Style Guideline should be changed. Databases have their focus on collecting on a regulatory base. So if it does not change the intent of the song title (not the artist’s intention, whatever that may be) the title should follow the Language Specific Style.

exceptions are in the likes of https://musicbrainz.org/release/32b7019a-edbd-4a13-ac70-d25d02fe3be0 (note: the album cover has everything in capslock, but we stick to the plan)

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We confirmed with the label and representative that this one is specifically artist intent, FWIW.

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Biblical references and such. I suppose it’s artist intent.

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Ok, so there’s no discussion about database standards because (in the KW case) there might be some obscure artistic intent and in Rosalias case, her label (not even herself) confirmed it?

i think it’s more important how this database wants to handle it’s data. and this should be uniform and in a sense of not falsifying song titles.

can you really justify capitalizing the kanye west album and not capitalizing every other physical album with caps written on the cover? i don’t think you can. and if you were in contact with rosalia representatives: what are the motives of capslocking it?

A lot of digital releases do this, particularly punk/hardcore releases. I’m never quite sure what to do.
I wonder if this is where that mythical multiple tracklistings element could help. After all, uniform data and reflecting an entity as perfectly as possible are both nice.

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They didn’t give motives (but then, they don’t need to) - they just said it was meant to be that way.

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it was a bit provocative from my side. of course it does not matter. but also, it does not matter what they say anyways, reception of art is not bound to statements of the artist. i think this is important in understanding art.

i agree with aerozol, is there a feature (like a nightmode), that let’s you turn on/off the “artists intentional” capitalization. and is there an add-on for picard that does do this?

What aerosol mentioned was Alternative tracklists. :slightly_smiling_face:

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MusicBrainz is a database for objective information, not subjective interpretations. I believe it would be most appropriate if the release group adhered to style guidelines strictly, while each release can be depicted as however the majority of digital retailers inventory it. The same applied with respect towards recordings as well. Recordings being the standard to which the track is referring, just as the release group is to the release. This then segues into a standard guideline required for naming recordings, and best suited in another thread with it’s own set of caveats and disputes. :crazy_face:

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But that is exactly what MB is not doing here. I was always arguing in perspective of the database.
Why is it abandoning it’s style guidelines in the age of digital distribution?
All the capitalized letters on all the recordings in the last 100 years have been adjusted to our uniform database standard. But now it shifts. Why is that so?

I think you can not argue that you respect the guidelines while handling it digitally different than with physical copies. There are millions of releases that capitalize every trackletter on the physical artwork.

Here are examples of databases that seem to keep their style guidelines no matter what trends are going on in the www. Rosalia example:



https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/rosalia/el-mal-querer/

I think this should be open for a debate on this Website. The last thing the database should lose is it’s archival standards.

i literally looked up the artwork for three random records that came into my mind:
https://www.discogs.com/release/933890-Interstellar-Space/images
https://www.discogs.com/release/687880-The-Red-Hot-Chili-Peppers/images
https://www.discogs.com/release/41225-Königsforst/images

They have not. There’s been plenty of capitalized letters left alone, when there’s reason to suspect the non-standard capitalization is artist intent. Be it all lowercase, all uppercase, or anything in between. This is exactly the same issue.

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