Tag Capitalization Issues

I’m not sure if I am posting this in the proper place, so if not I apologize.

I am using Version 2.13.3 (no newer versions seem available) and a couple of days ago I started having what I think is a strange development. Capitalization is not being fixed in the tags. To be clear, it looks as though it is on the tagged list. However, in the “New Value” field the words that should, for example, not be capitalized any longer are still capitalized and the file tag on folder reflects this unchanged status.

I’ve tried looking for an option in the “Options” menu that I may have inadvertently clicked, but I’m not even sure what I’d be looking for. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Can you give more details, which tags for which release this is happening with? Which scripts and plugins do you have enabled?

Without any scripts or plugins the capitalization will be as it is in the data on MusicBrainz. But scripts or plugins can change this.

Apologies for not being more explicit in my descriptions, I will do my best to clarify. For example: from the 1991 Infectious Grooves album “The Plague That Makes Your Booty Move… It’s the Infectious Grooves” track #12 “You Lie… and Yo Breath Stank” The “and”in the song title and the “the” in the album title should not be capitalized in English. What is happening is that if these are all capitalized prior to tagging, in the finished tagging field these look correct as it was in the database. However, the “New Value” field still shows them as incorrectly capitalized and this is also true of the file within the hard drive folder. This is happening with song titles, album titles, & artist(s) names. These are the only fields I have noticed this happening because in all honesty I am not very concerned about such things in the other data points.

To the best of my knowledge I am running Version 2.13.3 raw with no altered scripts or additional plug-ins. Sorry if this lacks descriptive improvements.

Which release in the Release Group?

Some releases have a large “And”, others have a small “and”.

Also possible the issue is the Recording has a large “And”. Depending on Plugins…

Correct it in the database, and it will then be corrected in your tags. :slight_smile:

Check which release you are tagging against. On some releases in the database the track title for this recording is written with an uppercase “And”, see Recording “You Lie… And Yo Breath Stank” by Infectious Grooves - MusicBrainz

Should probably be updated in the track listings, but still that is how it is right now.

The “Title Case” and “Smart Title Case” would do this. Check under Options > Plugins if one of those plugins is enabled.

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outsidecontext & IvanDobsky I appreciate you both. Let’s not get caught up on the singular example I used as that was only intended to be illustrative. I am either picking the one in the database that is correct or correcting it myself to ensure it is correct. In the MusicBrainz Picard app itself, the second column shows them as correct/corrected. However, the “New Value” field shows them as incorrect/uncorrected. Furthermore, they are only correct with the file itself if I go through each one individually at a time, which is needlessly tedious.

“The “Title Case” and “Smart Title Case” would do this. Check under Options > Plugins if one of those plugins is enabled.” How can I tell if these are enabled or not? I see nothing that indicates either of them are enabled. To the best of my knowledge I have absolutely zero plugins enabled.

Maybe you can share a screenshot? What is shown in the panes and the “new value” should usually be the same.

Sorry, I don’t understand this. But maybe a screenshot would help here also.

Active plugins have the on/off icon shown in green.

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“Maybe you can share a screenshot? What is shown in the panes and the “new value” should usually be the same.”

I am aware that these should be the same, but I assure you they are not.

“Sorry, I don’t understand this. But maybe a screenshot would help here also.“

I don’t know what image to give you here. The files, once tagged, remain unchanged until I go in one-by-one and fix the values. This is outside of app usage entirely.

“Active plugins have the on/off icon shown in green.“

Due to an extreme light sensitivity, I require a very robust dark mode for everything. It would seem that I am unable to see any green indications because the program does not fully support the UI specifics I require. FYI, when you post a screenshot all I get is a rather painful eyeful of white. All of the listed plugins in the options menu only have a down arrow. None of the “X” or anything else, only a single arrow for each one listed that points downward.

I am beginning to believe that due to my own visual limitations not being met by the MusicBrainz Picard app I may have to look for an alternate option.

From that description I take that the actual on/off icon is there, which indicates that the plugin is at least downloaded. Even if you can’t see whether it is enabled or not, there is a possible solution: If you see the icon with the “x” you can click it to completely uninstall the plugin. Then it is definitely not active anymore. Restart Picard afterwards and check the loaded data again.

For more details: If a plugin is not downloaded, it only shows the download icon like this:

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Once clicked it would install and enable the plugin, which would then show both the uninstall icon and the on/off switch:

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We need to improve the UI here and make the enabled / disabled status more obvious and not depend on the color. We will need to create a new UI for plugin management soon anyway, so we can make sure to better indicate enabled / disabled plugins. I think a normal checkbox would work better.

Sorry for that. I replaced the screenshot with a dark mode one.

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Thank you for changing that last image. I can definitively conclude that I do not have any of the listed plugins downloaded at all. So, that puts me, it would seem, back to square one.

The screenshot with all of what I’ve been saying. To reiterate for the sake of expediency; I have checked fully to confirm that I have no plugins downloaded, let alone enabled.

I have not yet altered anything in the file folder. I cannot get the “New Value” to match up with the completed tags.

I hope I am making some measure of sense.

So that there is nothing in Options > Scripts we have already checked.

What about Options > Tags > “Preserve these these tags from being cleared or overwritten with MusicBrainz data”? If there is e.g. the title tag here the file’s original value would also be shown as new value, as it would not be changed on save.

Otherwise I’m running out of ideas :frowning:

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Here’s what I’ve got there:

I’ve also confirmed that there are no scripts in that area, either. I just wanted to double/triple check that.

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The image is rather small, but I can spot “title” in this list. So this would totally explain the situation in your previous screenshot of the main window: Once the track has a title tag Picard would not change it anymore (unless you explicitly change it).

Same for the albumartistsort tag.

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OK. That seems to have taken care of the issue. How TF did that get changed if I’ve never touched that option before now?!?

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Ah, well. I very much appreciate all your help!

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One way to change this is right clicking on one of the tags in the lower tag panel and choose “Add to ‘Preserve Tags’ list”. Most likely it happened that way.

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Ah. That makes some measure of sense. Well, again I say thinks. Your efforts have been very appreciated.

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Agreed - since it’s just changing the icon, I could work on it now without too much trouble.

One thing I’m not sure about is making it a checkbox? I think that would be confusing with the cross next to it. I think that cross used to be a rubbish bin icon but iirc it was too hard to see, also leading to accessibility issues :face_with_peeking_eye:

If we have the option to make the buttons wider this could be good:

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