I wondering, which is the best pattern to name concerts. I am not sure if the styleguide suggests the best option. (3)
The variants that makes sense for me are:
Artist in City (Example: Future Palace in Essen)
Tourname: City (Example: Deep Blue Tour 2026: Essen)
Artist at Place (Example: Future Palace at Zeche Carl) (Current suggestion from Styleguide)
Artist at Place, City (Example: Future Palace at Zeche Carl, Essen)
I recently added all Concerts like 3), but I changed my mind and think that 1) is the best option.
3) does not carry that much information when you are not very used to the place names. I think people can recognize the city names more and get more insight.
What do you think? I am also fine with 2), but is gets messy for long or generic Tour names like “Europe 2026”.
Another downside of 3) is, that Location names change more often in the last years. And the bigger ones often contain Advertisements in their names what I do not like. “TUI Arena” where TUI is a company name, which has nothing to do with concerts.
For Co-Headline Tours, I would concat the Artist names with “,”.
Maybe we can add this as suggestion in Styleguide? Currently it suggests 3), but I don’t think that is the best Option for reasons mentioned above.
Edit: Clearify that this targets to change the styleguide, depending on the result.
Another question: In which language should the city names be?
As written on the Tour Poster?
Language of the county where the event will happen?
English?
Exactly!
The name of the event doesn’t have to be noprmalised and doesn’t have to even contain the place name.
All proper information has to be linked with place-event or relationship.
In any cases, if there is an official event title, as printed on concert posters, this is what should be taken for MB event.
If MB Event names were standardised, they would be automatically constructed, from headliner artist and place names.
I don’t think we can consider the text on a tour poster as event names.
In the most cases we have a table like “Date”, “City”, “Venue Name” in any order.
But I agree, I am also in favor for “As written on tour poster”, but just city name.
I plan to “standardise” concert names in FestivalGuide. I will let the user decide, If they want option 1, 2 or 3. Then I will construct the name from the known information in the rels.
But the event name will be the fallback if no rels available.
Ah OK, excellent.
I didn’t understand you were talking about another app than MB website.
For MB website, I think no one should waste time setting Event names, anyway, as long as there are relationships, all data is already here.
A minimum of relationships should be mandatory and then the title should be generated dynamically, always up to date and in user language:
I would say 3) is a sensible default, most of the events I enter are smaller bands who might tour multiple venues in one city, and where it’s a larger band on an (inter)national tour they tend to go for larger venues that are likely to be more well-known outside the city anyway.
Maybe as a middle ground you could include both the venue and city, e.g. “Future Palace at Zeche Carl, Essen”
I get your point, but then I think the smaller artists who play in different venues in the same city are the minority? But that assumption can simply be false because we hear more from the bigger artists.
Place and City in title may gets too much? Will add it as a fourth option.
I suspect that smaller bands comprise the majority of concerts, but bigger bands comprise the overwhelming majority of concerts that make it into MusicBrainz.
Option 3. is correct, as of the current guidelines, when there is no other ‘artist intent’ name.
If the event has an official name, use it.
Otherwise, a generic name should be used that makes it as easy as possible to identify the event:
For one-off events, the generic title should generally be of the style “[main artist(s)] at [venue]”.
For concerts that are part of a tour, it is also acceptable to use “[tour name]: [city]” if that seems more appropriate to the way the events in that specific tour are advertised; either way, aim for consistency for the whole tour.
For festivals, append the edition number or year to the festival name, such as “[festival] [123/YYYY]”.
Edit: I just saw that you already mention the styleguide - in which case I don’t really understand the question. Maybe the thread should be changed to more clearly express that it’s proposing a guideline change, rather than asking what’s correct?
Okay, maybe we can not find a common ground. The reasons for each variant are valid.
So keep it as is or do a poll, or add the other variants to the styleguide to make the punctuation for each clear, at least.
To avoid
Artist @ Place
instead of
Artist at Place
in example.
