STYLE-654 suggests adding an event type for music competitions, from classical piano contests to Eurovision (the ones that involve competing performances, rather than the Grammys or whatnot, I understand). I’m actually not against the idea - it seems interesting to be able to store this properly.
In order to do this properly, I feel it would also need an actual relationship (artist participated in event?), probably with a “winner” attribute on said relationship. I guess this could also be done with a standard “main performer” relationship (possibly adding the same attribute to it, or having a separate relationship for “artist won event”?). And we might not want to only store winners - I have certainly seen artist biographies mentioning “2nd place on the International Whatever Piano Competition”.
Do people have good ideas on how to store this info without needing new entity types?
I agree with those kinds of awards not being actual events in themselves, that’s why I specified “the ones that involve competing performances”. I’m thinking of things like Eurovision or the International Chopin Piano Competition. Cases where the participants actually go and perform live and are judged and awarded based on those performances.
I agree we need an event type for “Competitions”
Apart from that, we would also need a relationship between artist & event: “Jury member”, yesterday I was adding data to a composer/pianist. I could add all relations as teacher, who he was taught by, but there was no option available to add him as jury member of the Queen Elisabeth Competition of 1972.
I have lot of records related to performances at the Queen Elisabeth Competition.
Apart from that, there are a lot of recordings on their website which would need to properly link to the event.
The website also documents all competitions since the start, which accounts for much relationships we could enter.
“participant” & “jury member” are essentials, imo.
Added participant and jury member, and a “Competition” event type (description “An event in which the participants perform live and a winner is then chosen (as opposed to an award ceremony where awards are presented for previously released or performed music)” which hopefully makes sense).
@reosarevok: Can we update the “jury member” relationship to have an optional attribute “guest”? There are some competitions which have a largely fixed judge panel for the duration of the competition but often a different judge joins for an episode or two of the competition, at various times.
I wanted to use this in this event for two of the judges:
This would be similar to the “guest” attribute on instrument and vocal recordings relationships.
Similarly, I also wasn’t sure how to mark people that make it to the next stage of multi-stage competitions. So, for example:
This is the finals of a competition, and there was only one winner in the end, who I marked with the “winner” attribute for these finals.
On the other hand, during previous episodes (semifinals, quarterfinals, etc.), multiple people “pass” to the next round, and earlier on during the audition phase, “passing” just means the artist has been let into the competition generally. So, there’s a “passed”-“rejected” distinction for the most part in earlier rounds.
Am I meant to mark people who passed to the next episode as “winners”? Do we need a new attribute for this? Or should “winner” have its name updated to show that it is more generic?
I am not sure! Marking people as “winners” who “won the episode” enough to move forward doesn’t seem very far away from the concept to me, but others in this thread might disagree. Opinions?
