I imagine what a lyric video is, but what is a visualiser music video? Any example?
I have some links to some in an earlier post in the thread but basically itâs âa video for the music but where the video itself is a lot less important than the music and itâs just so you have something going on while you listen on YouTubeâ, from my understanding.
Iâve been adding videos to the site and I was holding myself to some guidelines I made up so I wouldnât cause any trouble on the site.
After reading this topic I feel I was being to strict with my own guidelines, but Iâll post what I was thinking here in case it would help.
Note: I donât think people should be held to these because their restrictive and not based on other Music Brainz Guidelines, this is just what I was doing.
- First I didnât know youtubers were allowed. I assumed you had to be published by a label of some sort.
But, since Iâm labeling music videos not just for myself but for my friends, I did accidentally do exactly that
At the time my thinking was: This music video required a director. Basically I just thought it âfeltâ like a music video and the only quantifiable thing I can put my finger on is it had a director.
But Iâm not sure if âhaving a directorâ is a good criteria for being a music video or not, especially when their are Music videos that âFeelâ like music videos without a director, or when you canât find a director listed anywhere
One song I did pass over for fear of not having a director was Oil by the Gorillaz. I donât think it shouldnât be on the site, I just thought it might cause trouble and I didnât want any.
- I didnât do fan made videos because I thought that was outside the scope of the site, but posts above have me rethinking that.
Though Iâve seen/thought about some interesting edge case of âfan-madeâ.
One is a fan making something, and the artist deciding to post it or re-post it on their YouTube page. does this make it âOfficialâ?
Another, very specific, one is this. according to my friend itâs a fan made music video for âTame Impala - Borderlineâ and it âFeelsâ like a music video. Also if quality is called into question the band never made a music video for this song so would something be better quality then something that doesnât exist? I donât know I donât have an answer.
Lastly their are videos with no official internet channels to be posted on and are primarily kept alive by archivists. I feel like these videos count because they where produced and used as a music video by the original artists (unless they where a hoax somehow) However when I did come across one of these videos I didnât link the Youtube video to the music video page. I was worried I would cause problems for music brianz, the youtuber, or both.
Thatâs the end of the guidelines I was holding myself to, but reading through the topic made me think of some examples.
- Sometimes their are short and long versions of music vidoes.
I listen to a few youtubers who do covers, and one thing Iâve seen them do a few time is theyâll post a short version of a cover and then a long one.
Short
Long
This can often be seen when doing a cover of an opening theme song to an anime, or some other show. The short version is the opening, the full version is the whole song.
Should both versions be allowed or only the long version?
And if only the long version, does that mean Intro and Outro videos of TV shows are also dis-allowed? I had actually assumed that intro outro videos where also outside the scope of the site, and I havenât heard them talked about in this topic yet(or if they where I missed it).
Thatâs all I can think of, sorry if my formatting is not great.
have a good one.
I also saw people discussing what a âVisualizerâ is.
I donât know either, but the person who made the âOilâ video for the Gorillaz claims to only do visualizers. so their Youtube page should be full of examples.
Or at least, examples of what they consider to be visualizers.
OMG humanity and internetâŚ
These take gigabytes of video streaming (think pollution).
They even look quite lame compared to 4k intros (yes, just four kilobytes including music).
Here is a video rendering of some âbestâ quite recent ones (21st century, I donât know them, lol).
Visualiser people should just stop stack up gigabytes of no-added-value video streaming, or learn to do 4 kilobytes + audio rips.
The summum of mankind musicianship artistic suicide of the fun to create, will be IA generated visualisers for IA generated music.
Ultimate Algorithmic Idiocy will be an AI generated reaction video to the AI generated visuals on top of AI generated music⌠Someone will then sell an NFT to you so you can own itâŚ
Need to have a new data field next to a recording - GigaWatts of power used to create. How many watts of power does a guy with a acoustic guitar use up?
I donât think a (known) director is necessary for a music video. Especially in the era of early music videos, it was not common to name a director. In some cases it is impossible to find out.
There are also cases where there is no director at all. Thereâs camera, actor and editor. The plot developed between actor and camera and it was edited after that - no one in charge. (Not every music video is high art )
Like you, I would not create fan-made music videos (whatever quality) or link fan-uploaded videos (for legal reasons).
And I do not create recordings for lyrics videos or visualizers unless itâs a piece of art itself - e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diZEGYsAvJg
PS: Actually, Iâve done very little of this so far, but I eventually willâŚ
okay then, how many watts of power did The Beatles use to create Srgt. Peppers?
(that does have some good overly-specific-trivia energy thoâŚ)
on the note of quality, I donât think that should be the main factor as to whether it should be allowed in MusicBrainz⌠you may look at this video and think itâs just a guy lip syncing in his bedroom (which to be fair, it is). I see an early example of a viral music video on the internet, with many parodies and references to this day (even made it on South Park) (more info on the Know Your Meme article)
if someone wants to document that their favorite animator made an unofficial music video for a My Chemical Romance song, if an editor wants to add all music videos (official and fanmade) for their favorite artist, if someone wants to document one of their favorite compilation music videos from their childhood and they just recently found who actually did the music used in the Chicken Dance portion (bit of a personal example here⌠it was not the Blue Man Group as credited in the video), I believe we can make a place for that in MusicBrainz
edit: rewatching that personal example reminds me just how much music I was introduced in that one video, probably my introduction to Gorillaz, Queen, and Green Day, among others
you know⌠thinking about it again, I feel like official non-music videos could be allowed in MusicBrainz, at least as standalone recordings. weâve already got equivalents from various DVDs and Enhanced CD releases (examples below from my collection), but I donât know that release dates, thumbnails, and whatnot are as important for non-music (tho I would be okay with these being Other releases too, but I donât expect many others will be on board with that)
- Video âThe Making of "Innocence & Instinct" Documentaryâ by Red - MusicBrainz
- Video âThe Making of âShoot to Thrillâ Music Videoâ by AC/DC - MusicBrainz
- Video âBehind the Treadmillsâ by OK Go - MusicBrainz
- Video âHow to Build a Secret Weaponâ by MxPx - MusicBrainz
- Video âBehind-the-Scenes Featurette on the Making of Straight Outta Lynwoodâ by âWeird Alâ Yankovic - MusicBrainz
- Video âAbbey Road MiniâDocumentaryâ by The Beatles - MusicBrainz
I think if someone wants to document official music-related YouTube videos in MusicBrainz, maybe that could be an option, is all
something to also consider discussing at some point (tho let me know if this is off-topic, @reosarevok), how to split video recordings? Iâm sure we can agree that audio differences mean different recordings (like the addition of diegetic audio between this video and that), but beyond that, we donât have any guidelines or documentation yet
edit: made a new thread for more visibility
Certainly cannot be a factor in all cases at least⌠because this wonder is an official music video
Reviewing the discussion above, Iâm starting to reach the following conclusions:
Releases of music in video form, such as music videos and concert recordings, can be added as MusicBrainz releases as long as they fulfill at least one of the following conditions:
- Theyâre an official music video, lyric video or visualizer made available by the artist or label, be it for purchase or stream.
- Theyâre an official live video made available by the artist or label, be it for purchase or stream.
- Theyâre a bootleg live video of a song or a full concert made available by a fan.
Minor video releases such as short teasers for a longer video and brief snippets of a live show should generally not be added as a MusicBrainz release, but they can be added as a standalone recording.
I am still unsure what to think about fan-made non-live videos. I can see the appeal, but having them in a filmography seems wrong to me - possibly standalone recording is the place to be?
I still think taking a queue from the remix guidelines is the way to go; to enter the video creator as the release / release group artist and the music artist as the track / recording artist. I forget if I linked it above, but Iâve already created one such video release as an example