Release or Variant (Unique releases on MB)

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Hi,
I tried to list all elements that make up a separate release.

It’s a new release if one of these conditions is true:

  1. different Cover art (all details)
  2. different medium artwork
  3. different release date
  4. different release country (is it? - if everything else is the same, it’s probably the same release with 2 release events)
  5. different CD manufacturer (due to matrix information)
  6. different matrix information (significantly different)
  7. different DiscID (if all the above is the same, it will share the same master = discID)
  8. different barcode (in general not only applied with a sticker)
    In general stickers on the packaging foil may indicate releases/release events, but do not make it a different release.

Variants of the same release may have:

  1. different mould SID (from the same plant)
  2. different matrix codes (minor differences)

For most releases this works well. But there are always special cases, mostly with represses. On Discogs they are often entered as separate releases although only matrix codes have changed. Release dates are mostly avoided as these RP releases are unannounced.

Discogs allows every distinguishable version to be added as a “unique release”, but “manufacturing variations” like “different stampers / matrix numbers for the same edition” should not be added as separate releases. So if you feel your RP is a different edition because it is distinguishable and it was released later, you may add a new release.

And now there’s a case where I really don’t know what to do:

I’ve added this one after inspecting the links related to the 1986-01-01 German release…


Both differences in artwork and matrix codes made me think, it’s clearly different. But afterwards I looked at the images of the German release:

They show the same artwork as mine, although all matrix information visible has a 100% match on the linked musik-sammler release. So images and links should probably be part of separate releases, but is the pictured release (images provided by @ClA_psHydra) the same as mine? One of them might be an early repress, but the differences in matrix code are definitely minor.

And what should be done with this very first Bring On the Night release? (released on Jan 1st … according to Amazon :wink: ) Should it be one or the other?

I hope someone can help and I would like to here if every one agrees on my “unique release list”.

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Your list is good.

I think you should remove those two as these are things that cannot be known from release in hands. And as you say, if nothing else is different, it’s the same.

Different barcode makes different release, yes.
But what do you mean with:

What is ev.?
If the back cover barcode or lack of barcode is the same but a removable sticker is different, it should remain same release IMO. And we can upload all variations we know in cover art tab.

Yes, exactly!
All removable (regional, commercial, time limited, etc.) stickers should not make us create new releases if the content is the same.
We can upload all different stickers in cover art tab. :slight_smile:

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Thanks for response!

Yes and no. Country is canceled, but the release date or at least a period of time can be determined from the imprints on the matrix. For example, if it’s MADE IN GERMANY BY PDO, it points to a short period of time between 1986 and 1991. If an otherwise matching release has a release date outside this period, then it can’t be my release. The absence of a code in Discogs notes can’t be taken for “it is not existent”. Not all releases in databases are well documented :wink:
Or another example:
I’ve got an exact match on this release, including all matrix codes:


1993, no Mould or Mastering SIDs… My CD has a mould SID, available from 1994 on… It’s not in MB by now as I have put it away when I noticed that.

Something like that:

A barcode sticker is attached over the original barcode, meant to make it a separate release - a signed release, separately distributed.

It’s what I mean, the matrix is more obvious and enough to say it’s different.
The release date is more obscure and subject to mistake and is not necessary in this case as the matrix is different is enough reason. :wink:

I think we agreed stickers over identical physical release were still the same MB release.

I just wanted to know what’s ev in (ev. applied with a sticker). :wink:

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That was a German abbreviation looking through :grin: “ev.” is short for “eventuell” which is not the same as “eventually” in English. It’s more “possibly”, but it was triggered by one single release and should not have been mentioned at all as I thought of general rules.

Yes, but the problem is, you often have only limited information about the matrix on comparable releases. But I have information from my matrix and in databases I can skip releases by not matching release date. I’ve got a 1988 release? Isn’t possible if there is a mould IFPI code!
Of course, information in databases is not absolute and most releases on Discogs with “unknown” release date had the date removed before that … because it wasn’t possible…

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