Refresh Derived Track/Recording Length

Hi! I’m very new here so this might be a dumb question.

I noticed an album where two tracks had not matched correctly, and looking into it, it seems that the length values were completely wrong - the recordings had two linked fingerprints, the active one was incorrect, and the inactive one was actually right.

I think that a track derives its length from a recording, and a recording derives its length from a linked track from AcoustID?

So I’ve unlinked the incorrect length fingerprints and waited a week, but it doesn’t seem to have updated any of the recording/track length data on the MusicBrainz end automatically yet…how can I make it recalculate from the updated data? Or am I thinking about this completely wrong?

(edit: I just checked back, it’s only been a week, not multiple weeks, but I’m still not sure what the timeline is for this if this is an automatic process)

Link it here and other editors can help to look at it with experience.

On the AcoustID page the fingerprints (the list of numbers at the top of the page) are the actual length of the sample.

The times you see next to the names under “Linked MusicBrainz recordings” are the lengths copied from the Recording in MB. So if the data was entered wrong on the MB recording, it would have that same wrong value listed here. Fixing the recording length will not always instantly show up on the AcoustID page.

An AcoustID does not set the length of an MB recording. The MB TRACK sets the length of the MB recording. So what you enter on the Release Page Track List sets the Recording length.

Note: If multiple tracks are linked to the same recording then I think the Recording length is some kind of average.

Best way to set a Track and Recording length is with a DiscID from a CD submitted via Picard. Second best is just edit the Track list in the Release.

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Ah amazing, thanks! Yeah I was definitely missing a few pieces then!!!

The wrong-length tracks recordings are:

Should be 2:15 and 3:31 respectively from my copy

The problem is the conflict between two different Disc ID for CD 1:

  1. Added in 2015: https://musicbrainz.org/cdtoc/ePNmMq66dstAXLUyn81_dyrozmY-
  2. Added in 2019: https://musicbrainz.org/cdtoc/THh26xK4nv6NPVU1Xj83ucEjVvw-

Tracks 7 to 11 are different.
It seems there are two distinct editions.
IMO you can reapply the old Disc ID track times to fix them.
Then I guess we should duplicate this release and move the newer Disc ID to the new release.

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Ahhh that makes sense, hadn’t seen that section before - thanks!! I’ve figured out how to reapply the track times from the old disc ID, so that’s showing correctly now.

I’m not sure how to move the Disc ID to a different release though - might be worth someone with a little more experience than me doing that :sweat_smile:

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There is a small clue when you look at the DiscID page

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Can you ear check that tracks 1.7 to 1.11 are correctly titled?
Sometimes they make some misprints and later edit a fixed release.

I moved that Disc ID to a brand new clone release.

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Ahhh - I thought that would only move it to a different CD on that release, and I didn’t want to break anything :sweat_smile: cheers!

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Looks good to me! The track names are pretty generic and as far as I can see/guess, all they did with this other release was change the timings of the track breaks of the 20 min episodes. :man_shrugging:

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By breaking things you learn quicker. :grin:

Only trouble with the Move link I pointed at was until @jesus2099 added the other version of the release there was actually no where to Move that DiscID to.

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