Pretty good couple of weeks

So these may not be particularly Herculean tasks compared to some, but they’re firsts for me, and I’m feeling kinda good about it.

  1. Over the past few weeks I’ve managed to fix all the recordings for a particular classical composer (Nicola Porpora) where the Composer was listed as the Recording Artist. There were 4 or 5 pages of recordings that needed this fix. I’ve been using loujine’s “Replace recording artists from a Release page” script on several Composers, but, with Porpora, I was finally able to track down release information telling me which voices (soprano, baritone, etc.) performed on which recordings, and I was able to get the list of Recordings where Porpora was Recording Artist down to zero.
  2. The second achievement was to add a release and get it loaded to the point where I feel justified setting the Data Quality to High.
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Not a big deal at all since it’s clear what’s meant, but is ©/℗ from 2014 to present correct? I thought ©/℗ YYYY meant “in YYYY” not “from YYYY to present”, because there isn’t a new (phonographic) copyright every year. Maybe I’ve been adding these wrong though? I guess another interpretation would be that the begin date is when the copyright first existed and the end date is when the copyright expires, but I think that gets very complicated based on jurisdiction and changes in laws.

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Correct! It only took me maybe 8 years of editing for me to grasp this (to be honest I didn’t grasp anything, that’s how long it took before reo pointed it out to me)

“When a year is specified (as in “℗ 2015 Naxos Rights US, Inc.”), use that year as both the begin and end date.” - Relationship type / Phonographic copyright - MusicBrainz

“When a year is specified (as in “© 2015 Naxos Rights US, Inc.”), use that year as both the begin and end date.” - Relationship type / Copyright - MusicBrainz

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I wondered about that while I was doing the edit. Didn’t think to see if the guidelines said anything about it. I’ll fix that. Thanks!

Fixed! On this release, anyway. I’ll have to check some others that I worked on.

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@aerozol Can you (or anyone else) help me with searching for my edits where I add/change copyrights?
I’ve tried several variations on the following search, but I keep getting zero results. I get tons of results until I add “Editor is me.”

Looks like you made the same mistake I made a few weeks ago, not seeing that the relationship types are under headings for the entity types. E.g., there are separate types for release-artist copyright and release-label copyright.

https://musicbrainz.org/search/edits?auto_edit_filter=&order=desc&negation=0&combinator=and&conditions.0.field=editor&conditions.0.operator=%3D&conditions.0.name=Beckfield&conditions.0.args.0=1273020&conditions.1.field=type&conditions.1.operator=%3D&conditions.1.args=90%2C233&conditions.1.args=91%2C234&conditions.2.field=link_type&conditions.2.operator=%3D&conditions.2.args=869&conditions.2.args=1276&conditions.2.args=709&conditions.2.args=710&conditions.2.args=867&conditions.2.args=1277&conditions.2.args=708&conditions.2.args=711&field=Please+choose+a+condition

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I did see that, but I thought I had done them as Release Relationships, rather than on the recordings.

Thanks again!

Oh, I see, you selected them in all four places. Well, whatever works.

I have one that looks like this:
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Should that just be started: 1987 and ended: 2001? That doesn’t seem quite right.

Hmm, that’s on the back cover. On the CD, it just says “(p) (c) 2001.”

I think I’ve just added multiple relationships with different dates when I’ve seen that. I’m not at all sure, but I think it usually happens when there are separate copyrights, like a copyright on a recording (not in the MB sense) in 1987 and a separate copyright on a master/mix of that recording in 2001.

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Believe it or not, I just had one of those, too:
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Ok, on second look, maybe that isn’t what you were talking about…

That actually ends up with the Release details looking similar to what’s on the artwork:

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The copyright dates caught me out too in the early days. Now it is part of the addiction to add all the dates. In fact add every name and company I can pull out of a booklet.

Yes, four edits. A (p) with a start\end of 1987, a (p) with start end of 2001. Then same again with the (c).

One thing I noticed on your release is this:

You accidentally have ticked some “This relationship has ended” causing that.

I see very little missing. For example, the manufacturing details from the matrix… but that is a whole other rabbit hole of madness. :grin:

Oh yeah, a couple of others I see on the CD. “Made in EU” is “Area: Manufactured in Europe” with “credited as” EU. And there is a “Label: Rights Society” of mcps (Other discs you see biem, gema, siae, etc)

Well done on the over the top attention to detail. One reason I enjoy doing this is you learn so much more about your music. You see the connections between the different releases you own. And it will lead you to other releases that you’ll end up buying and adding to the collection.

It also makes me really look and and properly read my booklets.

I had to laugh when I noticed the release you added had tracks 8-17 recorded in Adderbury. I spent a weekend walking around there last year based at the local pub. That church is quite interesting and rather large.

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That wasn’t accidental. I just didn’t enter an end date. I could have guessed that their end dates coincided with the release date, but I didn’t want to assume anything. And I had no idea when the jobs of writing liner notes and coordinating production started.

Is that what that is? I assumed it was a logo related to the label, Musical Concepts.
EDIT: Rights Society and Mfg. location relationships added.

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Since I expect stuff done for a release or recording can always be assumed to have finished so that the release or recording can be put out, it feels redundant to mark relationships there as “ended” - although I guess it’s not technically incorrect…

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If you add an end date, the “ended” checkbox gets automatically checked. That’s why I assumed I should check the box, even though I didn’t have a date.

I wish to do that on my owned releases to prevent some wrong future autoedits*, but I never consider the quality as being high enough…

* Does it even protect from these?
Ah! Data quality no longer has any effects, so we can just Abolish the data quality system. :winking_face_with_tongue:

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Awww… but it’s a cute little green dot. :broken_heart: :sweat_smile:

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Marketed, distributed, and licensed relationships might be a bit different. I still don’t add dates to any of them though. (I would if dates were printed, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen printed dates for those.)

Then I don’t enter any date and leave that tick also blank. Like @reosarevok I would not use that here.

I only tick that box when, for example, an artist was in a group and left at some point. Then “this relationship has ended” makes sense.

Once you’ve seem them… you’ll recognise them on all your CDs.

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I recognize biem and gema. I just didn’t realize mcps was one of them. The “mc” matched “Musical Concepts,” so I just figured it was theirs.