I thought Christians originally chose that date as it allowed the original cult to hide their celebrations around the solstice celebrations that were already going on. I understand historians have found alternate dates based on a censor not being held at that time of year.
Also the date will have shifted due to calendar changes over the decades.
MB is a music database and we should not really be going into these kinds of debates. Especially not making up dates without references. Even Wikipedia puts the DoB into 3BC.
Yes. I’m arguing that
IF " the date is known"
THEN “we are not talking about a historical person but instead a fictional character”
BECAUSE “” the b.d. of the historical person is unknown".
I’ve not seen an IF…THEN…BECAUSE… before so I confuddled.
Many real historical people have unknown birth dates. We have a number of Greek philosopher’s also in the database. Don’t know accurate dates for them, that doesn’t make them fictional.
I grew up in the church, and I’ve got a couple things to add…
I agree that we should use a historically accurate name for Jesus, whether Aramaic, Greek, or Hebrew, (with the proper aliases, of course, which I see are already there).
I agree with these sentiments. it may seem strange to the non-religious among us, but that is sometimes how it is, at least in my experience.
I’ve heard that too, pretty sure the same thing happened with Easter, and has kinda been happening recently with Halloween and Church Fall Festivals (which just happen to fall on October 31st).
Can we agree, though, that divine beings would be an exceptional case? If Jesus is credited, it would be generally understood to be in a spiritual sense, but claiming that Justin Bieber sang or David Bowie played saxophone on my recording is different and IMO should not be allowed.
If it’s an actual sample, of course. I was thinking of the “inspirational” Bieber example that @teethfairy gave above. Like, just because I felt like I was channeling David Bowie when recording the saxophone part doesn’t mean that we credit David Bowie
I don’t agree, if we don’t allow it for people that we are sure existed, we should not allow it for anyone, including The Tooth Fairy, even if it’s proven she offered presents to many children.
Then exactly same for Jesus, Muhammad, the 101 Smurfs and The Holly Tooth Fairy. No reasons otherwise.
Except dedicated to, or something like that, that can be applied to whatever the artist said.
But outside of 2000 year old deities - would we credit Yoko Ono as a writer if John Lennon said “she was my muse”.
*For the record, I remember participating in that discussion. So I already know that we credited her years after the fact even though there was no actual writing being done and no credit given at the time.
Ain’t EN great?
You and I having congruent understandings of this issue but you, (AIUI) thinking I had a contrary understanding, reasonably interpreted me to be arguing that the Artist was fictional, whereas I didn’t see that the use of implied IF, THEN, BECAUSE, and THEREFORE would leave my words wide open to being reasonably interpretted as being an argument against our shared ((AIUI) understanding.
Better if EN users leave their Roddenberry Universal Translators switched on when doing EN-EN comms?
To me your last three posts seem to have been through Google translate a few times. I kinda lost the meanings somewhere. Sorry. This Babel Fish I use is clearly playing up. It is just me being dumb with the big words.
The pseudo code was especially confusing.
IF (a statement == true)
THEN
{
do this
}
ELSE
{
do completely different
}
Is more what I am used to. Computers being dumb don’t usually have an “this is why I did this” BECAUSE clause. And the I Think THEREFORE I Am clause is reserved for HAL and WOPR.
If you were saying “Delete the birth date as it is a guess” then I agree with you.
Agree that it does seem to needlessly just attempt to stir up an argument - “there is only one God” etc…
Especially pointless as it is just copying a Discogs link which is clearly just someone using an alias for a specific release. No logic to having square brackets in MB world as that one release on the Discogs page is clearly just an unknown person.
there was a very brief discussion on the unofficial public Discord between me, @lazybookwyrm, and @druimalban (not sure if they’re on the forum). but yes, I probably should have brought it up here before adding
I added this artist for the same reason@sammyrayy added Jesus and Muhammad. because whether or not a god (or gods) exists, there’s surely many work and album dedications to be linked.
in fact, if we want to add a note about how not to use this artist (i.e. they’re not a compiler, vocalist and instrumentalist, featured artist, etc.), I’d be more than down~ maybe something like:
“if a relationship requires human input, such as vocals, mixer, or producer, create a new artist”?
I’ll try and hunt through my CD collection in the next couple days and see if I can find some dedications.
I’ll admit, I didn’t actually look at what the credit on Discogs was, I just saw there was something credited without even reading it… that’s my bad, lol
I do agree with you on this point tho. when that release is added to MusicBrainz, it should either be credited to [unknown] credited as “God”, or a new, separate artist named “God”.
