Incorrect duplicate recordings on a single large release

I’m tagging this large release

and found a duplicate recording that should not be a duplicate

tracks 67.5 and 120.16 from the same release are sung by subset of same artists but the setting and timing is different and they do sound different. Timing is off by 1 second. Also their BWV’s are different. 67.5 requires its own recording.

67.5 is sung by
Sytse Buwalda alto • Bas Ramselaar bass

and 120.16 is sung by
Marjon Strijk soprano · Sytse Buwalda alto · Knut Schoch tenor · Bas Ramselaar bass
Holland Boys’ Choir · Netherlands Bach Collegium · Pieter Jan Leusink

I would like to fix this but not sure how. Create a standalone recording, remove the incorrect one and add the correct one somehow ?

Please advise, don’t want to mess up this large release.

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It is easy to get confused in a big box like that. So a tangle recording is not surprising.

If you can’t find unique recordings for it from another release, I would just make a fresh Recording for one of those recordings. Are there any AcoustIDs attached? The length of those may help you decide which recording is correctly linked and which needs to be split.

Making a new recording for one of them to be relinked to is the way you need to go. That way if someone else spots the real recording it can always be merged.

Looking at the details, it is 67.5 “Kantate, BWV 82 “Ich habe genung”: V. Aria (Basso): Ich freue mich auf meinen Tod” that needs to be move to a new recording.

Is it this one?

Wow!! 180 disc sets!! I used to think 20+ were hard to handle!!

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Good luck for the 142 cds :slight_smile:

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yes, it looks like it. So there is no need for a new recording definition. How do I carefully swap them ?

hats off to people who put that release together, its overwhelming.

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You COPY the recording link that I have found into your Paste buffer. https://musicbrainz.org/recording/e45261a8-e6c8-4a88-b7f7-f190be9e94d1

Now go and EDIT the RELEASE with the bad link.
Go to the RECORDINGS page
Scroll down to Disc 67 and hit EDIT to look at.
Now find Track 5 and hit EDIT button next to that track
Now you can PASTE the correct recording link in to the edit box.
Then save the release. With a comment, maybe pointing at this thread.

If you get confused, just shout. Or I can do it for you if it seems a bit confusing.

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Thanks, its OK,need to learn how to do it. This particular release has more dups I think, will be careful to verify them.

On a general note, shouldn’t it be very rare (in case some lazy compilations maybe) that a release has duplicate recordings ? Even as massive as this Bach.

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Best way is dive in and make mistakes, then clean up and correct them. :wink: You learn more that way.

It is rare, but it depends how the editor has selected the Recordings. When going through 142 discs there is a stage where the brain starts to explode under that level of repetition. Especially with so much text. I guess they were letting the search try and locate the tracks, and that search can be very hit and miss. Easy for it to select something that looks close and not spot the error.

I would be surprised if someone managed to do a boxset that big without errors.

But that is why there is the rest of the community here to check and update. The handy thing here is this boxset has been produced a few times. So clicking on that bad link it stood out quite quickly that one didn’t match the rest.

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I would be surprised if someone managed to do a boxset that big without errors.

I could not agree more, its a great job that this release is as good as it is. My point was more general, should ANY release contain duplicate recordings ? I’m sure there are some releases that this is legit, but in general, it should not happen. Perhaps additional edit with warning ?

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Yes. There are good reasons you may get exact duplicates of recordings in a boxset.

For example, with a concert it can be common to have a BluRay and DVD in the same box that are identical. And then a CD of that same concert as an audio only version. I’ve seen EMI do this in very expensive boxsets. It is a cheeky way to bulk out the number of discs.

In this type of publications for sure. In the Bach release I found quite a few…, including one from this thread that I already fixed (I’m working on a local slave).

I’ve spot checked few and they seem wrong dups, will fix carefully.

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So I have trimmed the list by half, fixed the obvious ones. Could not make heads or tails with this

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Few Cantatas and mostly Orchestral Suites, same performers, very similar timings. For what is worth I did run fingerprint on each pair and it is different (20 seconds). I’m not sure if that’s enough to decide those are different recordings…

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