I don’t know anything about the UK, so I can’t be that helpful sorry!
But I will say that FYI most likely this has never been hashed out before
The best thing to do is to discuss it in a thread like this, ideally get consensus, and then ask our style lead @reosarevok if you can update the wiki with the result/an example (reo can then transclude it to the official docs, if all looks okay)
Usually I would use England, not UK.
I find England/Ireland/North Ireland/Wales/Scotland/Australia more concrete and UK redundant or misleading, as I confuse it with commonwealth.
But I’m not from there.
I will use what comes out of this topic, except it seems important to me to distinguish England/Scotland/etc. As it’s well known abroad (unlike the regions and UK).
As a Brit who also adds gigs and venues, I’ll use UK for England as it is short to type. And Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, IoM, Jersey, etc for those separate countries.
@jesus2099 - why have you added “Australia” to your list of countries in a conversation about the UK? They share our King, but nothing else. They have never been under UK rule.
That’s exactly why I find England easier to understand, if we’re talking about a place in England. Same queen or king.
If I see UK (United Kingdom), for me the boundaries sound very wide and blurry.
Update:
Maybe it’s a very personal issue, because oppositely, I don’t really know the states inside USA.
I think the UK do it specifically to confuse the rest of the world. And have more teams to enter in Football tournaments.
Simple version - the “United Kingdom” covers the group of islands to the left of Europe, apart from the bit that is Ireland. They are then split up into different countries who used to fight each other and have different ancient languages. They all have their own rule making governments apart from England who just has the UK government. And the UK rules over all of it attempting to tell them all what to do, with varying success. (This should go into a different thread as it is impossible to explain in simple words )
I would use option 2 (Place, City, England, UK), then…
Regions are not really famous/useful (and they change with politics), except if there are several same name city in the same country.
I thought we had to use UK according to guidelines. I always change all instances I see of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland & Wales, to just UK.
“States in the USA and Canada should always be listed (in their abbreviated form). States and provinces elsewhere are optional, and should only be added when they’re necessary to further distinguish cities with identical names.” I’m not opposed to using England, etc., though. Just always read the guidelines as not to use them.
Ask someone who lives in Glasgow if they are in the UK or Scotland and they will say Scotland. Ditto Belfast, Northern Ireland and Cardiff, Wales. I’d leave those countries as the closer defined country. Especially note that Scotland keeps trying to split from the UK.
Scotland is a country. It also happens to be a country within a country - it is not a “province” or “state”.
England and UK are more swappable as closer connected. (All the rest have their own separate governments). (I’m trying to avoid history lessons here )
I’d do either The Emporium, Coalville, UK or The Emporium, Coalville, England and not bother doubling it up.
No need to type United Kingdom when you can just type UK. (No one types out United States of America instead uses USA)
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