I have a copy of K.T. Tunstall’s Eye to the Telescope.. It has 13 tracks, 12 music and one ‘data track’. The MB entry for the release shows only the 12 music tracks. When I try to add the disc id / TOC via Picard, an error message is shown saying “None of the mediums on this release can have the given CD TOC attached, because they have the wrong number of tracks.” See below…
How can I add the TOC for my disc?
How did the others that are already there get added? Did they have a different number of tracks?
Do you have the same MEDIAMOTION matrix of the linked Discogs page?
What is on that Data partition? Is it just the copy protection stuff?
Looking at the history of that Release those DiscIDs are all pre-NGS. So none of them have actually been attached to that release. If you are confident the release is wrong, line up the DiscIDs to be deleted and then add your Enhanced track to the release.
I can’t get the third page of the edit notes to load as it keeps bugging out on the server, but a search let me see all the discIDs are pre-NGS. I can’t see any edits specific to that release apart from the artwork copied from Discogs.
Edit: Looking at those DiscIDs they are clearly garbage. There is a 2 minute difference in some of them!
No, the linked Discogs one is slightly different.
Thanks for the suggestion.
My CD is made in Argentina. There’s a Discogs entry for that, but little artwork. The artwork for the EMI release on MB in the bottom right corner of the jewel case back has “Place of manufacture as stated on label” Just to the left of it, the MB artwork has “F”. Mine has “Inpreso en Argentina”. Discogs also has sone disambiguation notes for the Argentina version that matches mine.
I will add mine to MB as a new release in the same release group with 13 tracks (inc the data track), country = Argentina and then add the discid.
I’ve no idea what is on the data track. Probably the copy control stuff.
Wrt to the existing MB entries for the other copy control cd, I’m sceptical that they have only 12 tracks. I expect that all of the copy control discs have 13 tracks. Can those discids be for 13 tracks but attached due to pre NGS timeframes. Sorry if this is not possible and it’s a silly idea!
In that case, make a new release. Different artwork and different manufacturer is a new release. (I also assume a different barcode?) We have to leave the messy DiscIDs to another person. In Europe there are both Copyright Controlled and normal CDs around. So we have not enough evidence to clean these up yet.
I do two main things. First I do a search on the Edit History to see when discIDs were attached. All of them came from a time in history when there were not separate “Releases” like we have now. (pre-NGS). So no one has actually attached any of these discIDs to this actual release. And also not ever hit a “Set Track Lengths” either. This makes me distrust them, but lack of proof stops me from deleting.
As to the lengths… just look at the DiscID tab. You can’t get five different discID lengths like that.
Also, if you click on each of the discIDs you see them attached to the same set of releases in each case. Again makes me trust them less.
Another trick to do is open the pages for the discID where you see the TOC in a new browser tab. I know the KUKO*** disc is a legit Euro CD as I have a copy of that (from a different release). If you open a separate tab in your browser for the first two releases, and flip back and forth between the two pages, it makes it easy to compare track times. In this example the Gc_N* adds two seconds to every track. This is something you see from homebrew CD-Rs.
As I have looked at a LOT of discIDs, I am confident in removing that 45:29 CD from the database. But the 47:13 is just odd. I want to delete it, but can’t be certain. Maybe this release does have a longer track 9 and 12 and a short track 10? But my lack of any proof means I have to leave this discID for another editor.
I have an edit submitted for this. I have added an extra track to represent the track, but I cannot set the length of the track. It should be 26:21 (EAC shows it’s length as 26:20.53). How do I do this please?
The start of this conversation is that I tried to add a disc ID for my CD using Picard, but I was unable to do that because it has a different number of tracks. The assumption is that it is 12 vs 13 that my CD has. So, the idea was to add a release with 13 tracks. How do I add a disc ID with 12 tracks in it when the CD has 13?
I tried adding an explicit data track as you suggest and the problem of a mismatch continues.
How can I see the disc ID that picard has generated? It seems to not be 12 or 13 tracks…
Submit the disc ID from Picard and then, after searching any artist, click Add Release button.
There, in the release editor, you will see how many tracks your disc ID is.
Or, faster but more geeky: Submit your disc ID from Picard and look at the URL: https://musicbrainz.org/cdtoc/attach?toc=1%2018%20… where you see toc=1%2018%20 where %20 is a space, so it means toc=1 18 …18 tracks.
Beware - EAC can’t be trusted on the length of a data track, it mis-calculates it as if it was a CD-DA audio track. If there’s a media file, look up the correct duration from the file properties or via your favorite media player