i have a question regarding festivals that have a pre day.
here in belgium we have a festival called pukkelpop.
it goes for 4 days (thursday, friday, saterday and sunday) but the first day isn’t a real day.
not real as in not all the stages are open, you can’t buy a ticket for that day.
the only way you can enter on that day is if you have a ticket that allows entry on the friday (so a friday dayticket or a sunday ticket)
so my question is, do we number the days 1,2,3 for the days where you can buy a ticket for and have the thursday be day 0? OR do we start numbering from thursday and have 1,2,3,4?
Starting with Day 1 could cause confusion when a festival has posters/communications that say things like “[band] is playing on day 2”, which MB would be calling “day 3”
Starting with Day 0 is getting a bit complex, and could cause confusion for humans and machines in a numerical sense.
i am currently numbering the days where 1 is the first day where i van buy a single day ticket for. so if there is a pre day where you can’t buy a dayticket for, then that is for me day 0
maybe a different proposial:
a lot of festivals (in belgium anyway) label the day name: friday/saturday/…
for instance: Graspop Metal Meeting 2003 has a friday and a saterday if we add that in stead of day 0 and day 1 (because the friday didn’t have singe day tickets)
then we would get:
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Friday
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Friday: Marquee I
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Friday: Marquee II
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Saturday
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Saturday: Main Stage
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Saturday: Marquee I
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Saturday: Marquee II
in stead of:
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Day 0
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Day 0: Marquee I
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Day 0: Marquee II
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Day 1
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Day 1: Main Stage
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Day 1: Marquee I
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Day 1: Marquee II
OR
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Day 1
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Day 1: Marquee I
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Day 1: Marquee II
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Day 2
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Day 2: Main Stage
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Day 2: Marquee I
Graspop Metal Meeting 2003, Day 2: Marquee II
this would be more inline with how the festival organiser promotes it on their own website.
(similar to sometimes discussions end up with “artist intent” but then for the organiser)
the only thing i can think of now is that Day 1, Day 2, Day 3 will always automaticly sort by name in to be 1, 2, 3.
but if you have a thursday, friday, saterday, sunday it will sort into friday, saterday, sunday, thrusday and thats a bit annoying.
(but that could be solved if there was an order for event stuff, similar to the order in series, i think i proposed this somewhere before to be able to sort the stage names from biggest to smallest (again to follow how they are listed on the festival website))
Festivals often have one or more pre-days. So 0 can not be the correct answer.
Day 1 should always be the first day with Lineup.
Sometimes I had the situation, that I had to shift up the numbers because there was a “Day 0” announced later. So I renamed all the day sub events …
But I also struggle sometimes when there are days with lineup outside of the the begin and end date range of an event (shown on posters and the website). But that is something we can not solve. I do not understand why they do it. Why not announce dates matching the scheduled days?
I like the idea to have the weekday names in the title. It makes things more clear.
But it has also some downsides.
It makes it more noisy, Day X is way shorter.
It makes it harder to read and understand, especially for people who are not native english speakers. I mean everyone knows the english weekdays, but at least it takes longer to understand. And sometimes I caught myself mixing up tuesday and thursday
Edit: Forgot the conclusion: I can live with both, numbering starting from Day 1 and weekday names. But I would prefer the guideline as it is right now.
what i would like to propse is that the code guidelines would be slightly adjusted to allow for weekday naming since most festivals (in belgium at least) use the day name in stead of day 1.
also if it is first announced as a friday-saturday-sunday event and later on they add an extra thursday nothing needs to bee changed.
(while if its a day 1, 2, 3 then either it becomes day 0, 1, 2, 3 OR everything needs to be changed to 1, 2, 3, 4)
and again, it would make it more in line with how the festival organiser display it on their website.
imo it makes the events work out of context with the other events (e.g. if I’m only viewing “Tuesday” I have no idea what day it is in the festival order without also seeing the relationships to “Sunday” and “Monday” - then I would know it’s the third day).
As @Relaxo5 says, it’s also friendlier for different languages - “Festival, martes” (Spanish), won’t be as universally understood as numerics. Their point about events spanning multiple events is also a very good one.
Unfortunately not everywhere in MusicBrainz, as well as third party sites, will display complex relationships like that. imo it’s safer to have the title as useful as possible.
It is not the end of the world for me if days of the week are used. I’m just not convinced it’s an improvement.
Another point for numbering: It is easier to implement for consuming applications.
The Weekday information can easily be calculated (without knowing about other events on the same “level”). In FestivalGuide I show the Weekday in braces: Day 1 (Saturday)
So I think we have a “easier to edit vs easier to consume” situation here. Dunno which to prefer.
I’ve actually independently started using weekday numbering instead of day numbering myself, as it’s generally what’s used in the event marketing I’m coming across (mostly conventions and their concerts). I think it also gains a bit in readability, at least for me personally
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