Following the debate on the following edit: Edit #125941560 - MusicBrainz
@chabreyflint @jesus2099
The earliest recordings (1950’s) of Georges Brassens either credit him as “Georges Brassens et sa guitare” or “Georges Brassens, sa guitare et les rythmes”
On later issues, featuring the same recordings, the track artist is most often just plain “Georges Brassens”.
Opinions on the matter seem to vary a bit regarding the following:
-Do we consider “Georges Brassens et sa guitare” a valid alias for Georges Brassens at recording level, in case that is how the recording initially appeared?
-Do we consider “Georges Brassens, sa guitare et les rythmes” an alias of just Georges Brassens, or should we consider it a “George Brassens & his orchestra”-type of credit?
(Compare for instance with Bob Castella et ses rythmes: Bob Castella et son orchestre - Relationships - MusicBrainz )
2 Likes
Keeping it the original way makes sense to me - probably as just an alias of Brassens IMO in both cases.
1 Like
I may be wrong, but I feel that “Georges Brassens, sa guitare et les rythmes” is not a credit but the album’s title, just as “Georges Brassens et sa guitare” was used for N° 4. Furthermore, “sa guitare et les rythmes” translates to “his guitar and the rythms”, if it was a credit, I would have expected “sa guitare et ses rythmes”.
It surely isn’t the album/single title.
Otherwise a lot of singles would be titled like that. About all 78s I have.
N°4 and N° 5 as well are self-titled albums. Following the cover, the title could even just be Georges Brassens as well. (Matter of interpretation, I believe, Even just “N°4” could be a valid choice, imo)
See Release “Nº4 : Georges Brassens et sa guitare” by Georges Brassens - MusicBrainz & Release “Nº4 : Georges Brassens et sa guitare” by Georges Brassens - MusicBrainz
1 Like
It could be the title of a kind of series. Or a subtitle. Or anything
fuzzy which happened to enter the mind of whoever was in charge of that
kind of things at Philips. Again, you could be right, but I can’t help
feeling that “les rythmes” is a bizarre formulation for a credit. If it
was a credit, “les” should be the possessive credit “ses”.
It’s what I thought first time, too.
But after seeing the packaging and also other artist having same credits, Bob Castella et ses rythmes, now I think, OK, rythmes could be a way to credit accompanying musicians. And les is more common in English (Bob Dybal and the Hornets) and in Spanish (Jose y los Muchachos), so, why not in french as well, even though it’s not common.
Oh, but there is Hélène et les Garçons, too. 