Bad antivirus responses (instead of off topic discussion in another thread)

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It is not about people who know code. It is about MS Defender giving you a bad response to a legitimate download. As MS has not tested the product they just shout “bad download” instead of actually confirming there is nothing wrong with the product. A project with source code available is more usually trustable as they are giving you a raw option of build it yourself. (We are now getting very OT) VirusTotal and VirusTotal

(Lets not clutter that other thread with OT discussion :slight_smile: )

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Ivan, calm down. :wink:

I use Defender, but I haven’t even downloaded this program. So I don’t know if Defender shouted.

The point is that even in Linux code there can be Trojans that only a handful of people know about.

Fair enough discussion - but not for that thread. I deleted my replies from there now.

“trojans” can be written into any product. And it has been well shown that “open source” does not mean zero bugs or exploits as not everyone checks the code they use.

This example is a project that has been around a long time and used by many. So it is pretty likely to be clean. Just like you trust Total Commander not to go dodgy.

Your response said it DID have a trojan in it. Which is why I was confused by a potential bad positive from MS. They do that a lot on software that they have not actually checked.

I did not want to mislead someone that I was recommending spyware.

Spyware is bad.

This recommendation deserves a ban. :wink:

I have seen apps go bad… one of worst in past years for me was on Android. “ES File Explorer File Manager” was sold out to an advertising company. Went from Excellent to Adverts overload. And funnily enough, in that case I fix that problem with an Android version of - Total Commander.

It is interesting to notice that in the Windows world many apps that used to include adverts now don’t. XP years it used to be horrendous.

I’m trying to think what it was I installed the other day that replaced the old advert in the installer with a silly photo now… :laughing:

You know …

As long as the Trojan doesn’t clean out your bank account, it’s OK.

However, it can, for example, display a naked butt in the browser or on the desktop. :wink:

Can you not delete the Trojan comment from that thread due to my linking to it? I’ll delete the link from the first post here so you can remove that OT comment…

Tell me in a private message which thread and which post, because I don’t understand whether I should delete it or not.

@IvanDobsky

Do you think others would be influenced by our conversation?

After all, everyone has their own mind.

Sure there can be Trojans on any OS. But please don’t accuse random software to have “trojans in it” without any evidence. As an free software developer I find such random claims insulting really.

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Yes. You directly said that the software had a Trojan. So that is not only in that thread, but will appear in a Google trawl of this website.

People read forums for advice. Noobs don’t know who we are. So will take what is written as based on fact.

You cannot assume people will read things in the same style you write them. It is natural for people to misinterpret meanings. Especially if translation comes into the equation.

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I would be careful about saying “directly”. :slight_smile:

This is what I mean about miss-reading a sentence. :slight_smile:

but doesn’t it have a Trojan in it?” reads to me, and I assume others, as you FOUND a trojan. It is the subtleties of language and meanings.

No, no.

It is clearly a question, not a statement.

By using “doesn’t it” the implication is there that it does have a trojan.

If you had said “are you sure it doesn’t have a trojan?” or “how do you know it doesn’t have a trojan?” then it would have been clearer that you didn’t know yourself and was just accusing it of being untrustable.

But this can equally be said of Total Commander.

One does not know facts of how trustable any product is without trying it and\or reading up on it. So it was a pretty irrelevant comment to add. And, as you can see above, an easy way of annoying a developer.

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End of topic… :+1: :slight_smile: