Adding of 'mashes up' as work-work relationship

Explanation

Now we only have ‘mashes up’ recording-recording relationship, which is used when many specific recordings are mashed together and it covers 98-99% of all mashups. But sometimes there are mashups that can’t be added as mashup of specific recordings, because they are mashup on work level, where musical ideas of two songs/works are mixed and not their specific performances/recordings.

To solve this problem I want to open a ticket with asking allow ‘mashes up’ on work-work level as well and ‘remixer’ on artist-recording level.

Some examples of these mashups:

Gasshow x Suzume” by Whitebox

It is a mashup of

  1. Suzume” by Radwimps
  2. Gasshow” by Illion

But this mashup doesn’t use original recordings at all. Instead of that they only mixed the musical ideas of these 2 songs and performed this mix and this recording is fully recorded and performed by them.

A Mother’s Love, A King’s Duty - VS Ceroba and Asgore Battle Theme [Undertale x Undertale Yellow] by Jova

  1. A Mother’s Love” by Undertale Yellow team
  2. Asgore” by Toby Fox.

A Hero At Their Precipice (Precipice x Battle Against a True Hero)

  1. Precipice” by Aaron Cherof
  2. Battle Against A True Hero” by Toby Fox
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It seems more appropriate to use the existing ‘based on’ work-work relationship (or one of the many other work-work relationships available)?

Hi! I know and understand I can do that with this relationship as I did many times with other songs. But ‘mashup’ is better defined and makes it clearer what exactly was made/happen with works, while “based on” is too common and can be used in too many senses and cases. So why do you think it is more appropriate?

It seems to me that ‘mashup’ has a specific meaning, which is to mash up two recordings.

Well, I don’t think that people separate recordings and works in their everyday life. In my opinion these cases can be named mashups as well as we name recordings, because exactly same operations are made, just on different levels:

  • some part of two or more recordings are mixed; in some parts only one song is kept, while other is not; original recordings still can be recognized
  • some musical ideas of two or more works are taken and mixed; in some parts musical ideas of only one work is used; original musical works still can be recognized

So definitely I believe it is exactly the same thing, but with different entities.

Also if you will google ‘gasshow mashup’ on YT, you will get this track in the beginning of the results. I checked this many times in incognito mode and with different VPN connections. It makes me believe, that other non-Japanese listeners search this track with using of the word “mashup” for it and I’m not alone.

a relationship like this could be useful in other areas too, like for church hymns, I’ve been wondering about putting in a ticket like this myself actually, specifically a way to note if a mashup uses the vocals or instrumental (or other part) of the original song

I will say, in the past I’ve also used various “Version of” relationships to link works where it seems necessary, like a few mashups where they use sentence mixing to make the vocalist sing a different (third) song

(not technically a mashup, but it’s a good example anyways, I think)

edit: proceed with caution, the song is quite NSFW, lol

I’ll try and find a better example later

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Personally I use the “Quote Lyrics” and “Quotes Music” relationships for mashups.

I always thought the Quotes relationships were for short quotations (like, no more than about 20 seconds), not for whole pieces… that’s why I’ve been mostly using “Based on” or “Version of” (unless of course it is a short quotation)

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Oh yeah, it actually is

We need a mashup relationship then. Whether it uses Lyrics or music can be a relationship attribute. Making a ticket :slight_smile:

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Feel free to upvote and add more info if needed

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