I would definitely expect all the mixes in the same disc / layer / whatever to be in the same medium. The layer issue is because each layer is a different type of format, not just because they have different mixes.
I went ahead and edited it with all the track info into the same medium. Easier to split into different mediums than to combine them. But yeah. Makes sense. You can play DVD-Audio in a DVD-Video machine, but not the other way around. So, why not just have some video tracks that will play in the DVD-Video player.
Sorry to dig up an older issue, hope it’s OK. I just entered this:
That second disc has all the files in the VIDEO_TS folder. The tracks are the same as the CD, but it has three videos that can be accessed via the menu.
But when I imported one of the audio tracks into Audacity it appeared the file had two streams: one stereo and one 5.1. Should I treat streams the same as layers in Hybrid SACDs and add the album tracks one more time (with a “5.1 mix” suffix)?
What is a good example of an SACD entry with different layers?
And how can I be absolutely sure that the SACD layer contains only a 5.1 stream or also a stereo stream? (Not sure if that requires another layer or not.)
(I have a standalone SACD player but it with my Nektar - Journey to the Centre of the Eye SACD, it plays 5.1 straight away, it does not give me a choice for the stereo, which is the CD layer.)
Bumping an old thread but I ran into this issue with The Lord of the Rings: The Complete Recordings.
These were released in 2005/2006/2007 as 3-4 CDs + DVD-Audio and re-issued in 2018 digitally and on 3-4 CDs + Blu-ray. The DVDs and Blu-rays contain both stereo and 5.1 surround mixes.
Update the DVD-Audio release annotations to reference both stereo and 5.1 audio being included. Remove the (5.1 mix) suffixes, or
Add an extra DVD/Blu-ray medium for each of these releases for the 5.1 mixes (and make new recordings).
The former is easier, but means there are no separate recordings for the 5.1 mixes. The latter is what I’d do for SACDs, but there are dedicated format types (SACD (2 channels), Hybrid SACD (SACD layer, 2 channels), etc.) for those media. DVD-Audio and Blu-ray have no such sub-types.
Adding both stereo and 5.1 surround versions to a list is the more complete\correct solution but requires more work.
There is no perfect answer. Some people adding a DVD will just type in what the read on they rear cover and click “finished”. This is correct. The completist will rip a DVD and then list all the files they actually ripped, and all the versions. Stereo and 5.1 being different recordings.
It is quite possible for the ripped version to find more tracks that were not listed on the rear cover.
So if you feel like you have the time, you can go ahead and add both 2.0 and 5.1 tracks. But when adding the 5.1 tracks, just like on a SACD, don’t assume that each version is same length. I have some SACDs that each layer has different track lengths. Even between stereo versions.
SACDs are treated as three different mediums as they are physically three different layers on a CD. A DVD\BluRay is one medium as the data is all on the same layer (**).
(**) [pedant mode] Okay, DVD9 is two layers on one disc but the point is it is the same hardware that reads those two layers as one as layer two is extension of layer one. Whereas an SACD player chooses the layer to play and each layer is generally the same music, just a different format. I’m trying to talk simple language.[/pedant mode]
I’m not sure this is right - per the SACD spec (https://www.sonicstudio.com/pdf/dsd/DSDIFF_1.5_RecommendedUsage.pdf) stereo and multichannel audio ends up in different areas but there’s just the one SACD layer (read with a 650nm laser). A hybrid SACD has the extra CD layer, read with a 780nm laser.
EDIT: I’m half-wrong. In fact there are 3 SACD disc variations: single layer (HD layer only), dual layer (2 HD layers, same principle as DVD-9) and hybrid discs - the only type I have in my collection - with the HD layer and backwards-compatible CD layer. https://superaudio-cd.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/whitepaper.pdf (page 7). Sometimes the dual (not hybrid) layer discs will have stereo on one layer and multichannel audio on the other, but these seem quite rare in the wild. Most are hybrid with both stereo and multichannel on the single HD layer.
I didn’t mean to drag this OT based on my lack of exact manufacturing knowledge of SACDs.
I assume I am right with the SACD player you have to choose if it plays Stereo or 5.1? So a physical choice as to which version plays back due to player settings.
The point is SACDs are done the way they are on MB. And DVD\BluRay done the way they are on MB. Handling of multi-channel recording is a little inconsistent.
Yes, that’s fair. SACDs can have 1 stereo area and 1 multichannel area (both being optional - most releases have at least stereo but there are some rare multichannel-only albums out there). Players have a toggle between stereo and multichannel.
DVD-A on the other hand is flexible almost to a fault - channel configurations can even change from track to track, so it doesn’t make sense to have format subtypes in MusicBrainz like there are for SACDs. In the case of LOTR there are 2 ‘titles’ on each DVD: 1 for stereo and 1 for 5.1 audio, so rather like an SACD.
Anyway, for now I’ll start by removing the (5.1 mix) suffixes (for the stereo recordings) and updating the annotations. I’ll think about adding a new batch of recordings for the 5.1 audio.