Picard has an option to ignore silent tracks when determining whether a release is complete. But how does it know a track is silent? I’ve never seen an option on MusicBrainz to mark a track or recording as silent. Where can I find it?
It perhaps checks for the track title
[silence]? That wouldn’t be foolproof, of course.
That’s exactly what it does, it completely depends on the style guides being followed.
Doesn’t using [silent], as the style guide says, mean that the release (album) will end up with the same recording many times? I had thought that a recording would be unique on a release.
I don’t think there is any rule against having the same recording on a release twice. It is very unlikely to occur, because even if the same work appears multiple times on the same release, they are usually different versions. I have never thought about using the same recording for all [silent] tracks on a release to be honest.
That is how the [silent] tracks often seem to have been used - same recording many times. For example https://musicbrainz.org/release/5491a49c-4754-3bd2-88df-d14a1f0fcf2d
It came as a big surprize, so made me question it. But as you say it is unusual for actual music where the same work repeated would usually be different recordings.
I have seen the same recording on different discs of a set, that was a surprize too. But as you say, no rules against it.
There’s also nothing that says all [silence] recordings must be the same - you can have plenty of recordings with the same name in one release
It is kind of odd though, or is it just me.
Is there any rulle to say that a “recording” of the same length of silence is the same recording? And that different lengths of silence must be different recordings?
I am not worried about naming, just how the mbids are being allocated.
I think the idea is that all pure (digital) silence is basically equivalent, while recorded silence isn’t (since it includes ambient noises and whatnot)
I’ve read this thread over a couple of times, and I still don’t get where you get this idea from… ? @chirlu notes that Picard checks the track title. Several tracks on a given release can have the same title, even if they’re not the same Recording, as @reosarevok also notes.
I was just expressing my surprize at finding releases with the same recording multiple times, and asking if this was correct.
I understood that a release could have manys tracks with the same name, and I am not saying that calling several tracks on a release [silence] means that they have to be the same recording. But in the examples I have seen of releases with multiple tracks called [silence], they often are entered as repeats of the same recording.
If it is by design that there is a many to many relationship between release and recording then that is fine, I was just checking.
It certainly is. It can even happen for non-"[silence]" recordings. E.g.,
Compare “Mellemspil” to “Mellemspil 2”.
I don’t see any reason why a recording should not appear on a release more than once. It is for sure uncommon, but definitely possible and very likely there are examples of this.
EDIT: I saw @freso’s post just after I wrote this, but he even has found an example