I just stumbled across the different ways releases are filed for this trio and the differences of mention the shortage ‘Keith Jarrett Trio’ on the albums itself:
Common for all albums is that the term ‘Keith Jarrett Trio’ is not used on the front cover, in most cases it is a shortage on the edge with the catalog-no.
However, int the examples (Standards, Vol. 1) the Trio-shortage is not mentioned at all:
Common to all releases ‘Keith Jarrett, Gary Peacock, Jack DeJohnette’ are listed explicit in that order at the front, so I’d suggest to use the long form ‘Keith Jarrett, Gary Peacock, Jack DeJohnette’ in all cases to file it at the same place.
Before renaming the artist (releases and recordings) I’d like to get some opinions .
Do you mean to rename the artist or the artist credits? and do you mean to use “Keith Jarrett, Gary Peacock, Jack DeJohnette” as one artist or three separate artists?
Whatever the trio entity is named (Keith Jarrett Trio, Jarrett-Peacock-DeJohnette Trio, Standards Trio, … all seem to be used), I think it should be credited wherever appropriate, probably as well as the individuals. In the original release of Standards Vol. 1 I wouldn’t necessarily expect it to be named because that album marked their formation, but still useful to credit it IMO.
I mean to add every single artist as album artist in one release, which I own here at home .
I don’t want to create yet another name for the “trio” .
Afterwards it would be propagated / copied to the tracks and recordings (checkbox) and release groups (checkbox) as well to get a consistant naming, ordering of all their releases.
My impression is that the “Trio” really wants to emphasize the single members as well by not using the shortages (Keit Jarrett Trio or Standard Trio …) on all cover pages
I’m not sure I understand the exact proposal but I would say that:
This particular trio should have its own artist entry as a group, and the examples above should be attributed to that group
The best name for that artist is probably “Keith Jarrett, Gary Peacock, Jack DeJohnette” as it is the most consistently used
If the existing Keith Jarrett Trio artist entity is renamed, Somewhere Before should be moved to another artist (either a new Keith Jarrett Trio entity, or Keith Jarrett credited as Keith Jarrett Trio).
I try to make it more clear. I consider the following steps:
Checking all releases for album artists and exchanging “Keith Jarret Trio” with three artists on the releaseinfo tab
Check the box to copy this to the release group as well
on the last page of every release check to copy the artist to the recordings as well
Results:
I leave the artist record of "Keith Jarret Trio untouched, but at the end of the process it should loose a lot or all relationships to releases/release groups.
Every single musician instead will have those relationship which fits to the naming of the covers itself.
Technically it is ok, I think.
However, it is very likely that there people who favorite the “Keith Jarrett Trio”-naming approach, who I’m going to annoy.
Hence I to read some statements,comments,opinions.
A separate artist, “Keith Jarret Trio”.
A separate artist, but renamed as “Keith Jarrett, Gary Peacock, Jack DeJohnette”.
No separate artist at all, but albums credited to three artists, Keith, Gary and Jack.
I think if the trio is a consistent one, as it seems to be, the second choice might actually make more sense (a bit like the “Crosby, Stills & Nash” grouping).
AFAIK the group are usually referred to as the Keith Jarrett Trio, sometimes as the Keith Jarrett Standards Trio, I’d be against changing the artist name.
I would definitely use all 3 names as the credit for all these. If they’re generally “trio releases”, though, it still probably makes sense to have the three names be a credit for the trio.
But “afortunately” it refers on a different trio:
|drums: |Paul Motian (US jazz drummer, percussionist & composer)|
||bass: |Charlie Haden|
|piano: |Keith Jarrett|
discogs-solution for this naming-clutter is mixing both:
Keith Jarrett Trio
Aliases:
Keith Jarrett / Gary Peacock / Jack DeJohnette
Members:
Charlie Haden, Gary Peacock, Jack DeJohnette, Keith Jarrett, Paul Motian
Variations:
Viewing All | Keith Jarrett Trio
The Keith Jarrett Trio
Ok, I applied it to the following releases (release goup and recordings as well)
beet ls -a Keith Jarrett Trio -f ‘$mb_albumid $album’
ab222a5f-323f-4bfe-8a61-b179fd8e0872 Changeless
b9f2e048-44e3-4998-b1f3-0ea31488949c Somewhere
7f1e1edf-e18f-473c-8ba2-263919676305 Standards in Norway
09e9d586-92e8-342a-8d8d-547b506d291e Standards Live
10315e81-eb2f-40ac-9e3f-18d1693af8f7 Standards, Volume 2
7421c2c7-56fc-4838-8c85-a78a81c0fffb Still Live
2c7b284d-165b-4e15-8eee-31101b5c913e Tribute
6815c7e8-b3b1-4290-a133-b62963359192 Yesterdays
beet ls -a Peacock jarrett dejohnette -f ‘$mb_albumid $album’
6b4c6d8a-e33a-47c5-b196-6a4a0628c599 Standards, Volume 1
01dd675f-42ae-4ace-a7d9-cfe4ad5428c8 After the Fall