Well, it’s great if you are brought into their system. Lets leave it at that.
I’m on the verge of ditching mine because I can’t see the point of having the TV on to listen to music. The TV doesn’t add anything to the experience it’s just a big screen. All the standard music players do is show the cover page for an album. I can just as easily control the music from my tablet.
No. But your question did prompt me to look at what applications there are for AppleTV. I haven’t tried any but: koditvbox or 8player might be what you’re looking for.
No idea if koditvbox does file mode, but some basic tagging can’t be that hard if the filenames have some kind of pattern. You can extract the artist and album name. I know it won’t be upto your usual level of detail, but surely enough to make a metadata based player usable to browse and play?
It might be better to keep the three things seperate:
music onto the iPhone
TV and netflix (appleTV)
Playing music off a kodi server through the amp controlled by tablet with a browser.
Let me know if you test out the two AppleTV apps, I’m going to try to work on my tagging…
Some updates in case others struggle with this “simple task” like I have.
I think this is what stopped us today getting music off of the phone. It was many many years ago the music went onto a phone. So that PC is long gone. And phone upgraded many times. Ever since then the iPhone “copy to new phone” option had always copied her music across.
Until the latest new iPhone was purchased. Now it copied everything except the music.
So we hit the brick wall of “Apple”. (And Apple’s official support is next to useless)
25GB of her music locked in the old phone. iTunes will not see it. Will not sync it.
iExplorer is well worth the $40. It can do what Apple tell you is not possible. This app allowed us to grab that 25GB of music. (And much more besides)
But that is not the end of the saga. The new phone with latest iOS on it will not allow iTunes to sync music from PC to phone. ARGH!!!
Something I am missing. Something don’t make sense. Attach new phone, it appears in iTunes, but only talks of iCloud syncs and will not give an option to move music from PC to phone.
This should be the simple part. Phone authorised on PC with iTunes authoried on PC full of music. And sync is not available…
I ran away at that point before I applied iHammer to iPhone.
Edited to add:
This is what we don’t see
Instead that page mentions iCloud. A service that is not wanted but she had been forced to sign up to Apple Music demo by the “Apple Support”. I think this means the next mission is to break the links to iCloud Music between with the PC or the Phone or both.
Just saw this in your earlier post. That is a bit of a con! Selling out of date copies of Open Source KODI. There is quite a scam setup selling KODI Boxes to get at pirate TV. Amazon and Ebay used to be full of 'em.
My solution will be a Raspberry PI running KODI to do the media centre thing. Can also run other tasks with it then too. This will be connected direct to the Amp so no need for the screen. Operate it via web interface.
Can’t remember exactly which model. A new one bought in last few months. Most of the saga has been caused by misleading advice from the Apple support people. I experienced two of these on phone calls last week. Both offered to take “ownership” of the task and then didn’t call back. At least the last one was honest and told us it could not be done.
Which is when I just went to iExplorer and had the music rescued from the old phone in a few minutes… at least she can now sell that one. AND HAS HER MUSIC BACK!! Woo!!
I can see the last task is to untangle the previous support people who tied her new phone into Apple Music. We have cancelled that and now waiting for the phone to acknowledge it is not on the cloud any more. Though I may also need to logout iTunes from the iCloud too.
Some of the problem is they don’t expect you to want to disconnect so the options to opt-out are hard to locate.
Yeah, that is the problem. That is the page I know I want to see. Instead that page instead shows some rubbish about iCloud sync instead. So pressing the Sync button does nothing. As iCloud is in the way.
Once I work out how to get rid of the iCloud BS the Apple “Support” people added then we are good to go I think. Kinda confusing why it says iCloud instead of Apple Music but guess that may just be labelling?
I will certainly try Account->sign out next time I am on the PC.
The lesson to learn is NEVER let Apple support near a problem as all they do is lock the device deeper into the religion and not actually do as requested.
(Can’t grab a screen shot as I only see her once a week or so…)
The whole Android setup is so much easier for handling music.
Apple has actually got worse. The “copy a whole phone to new phone” system works great. Usually. But dropping a whole music collection with zero warning to the owner is just weird to me.
The screen you showed looks most like Apple Devices to me…not iTunes.
Apple has split iTunes into two parts:
Apple Music for the music library management
Apple Devices for syncing the library to the phone.
I couldn’t get Apple Devices to show icloud sync, my sync just worked. I tried logged and logged out. Same behaviour.
On Apple Music, it’s in the bottom left corner. See my screenshot with my redacted name.
There’s no login/logout that I can see in Apple Music.
One guess is that the interaction with Apple support has caused your friend to have the local library moved / uploaded into Apple Music cloud library and that Apple devices is now trying to sync that to the phone. I’ve never done that as I don’t want my music in the cloud.
If you have the music files still from the old phone, I’d suggest that you uninstall Apple Music and Apple Devices and start again by installing iTunes, not Apple Music/Devices. Best to have an empty iTunes library as well. You’ll have to load the folder with the files into iTunes a
Happy to try to help offline if you want.
Are the files you got back mp3 or apple? are they tagged etc?
I got really dizzy trying to understand difference between Apple Music, iTunes, Apple Device…
Really I’m not joking, I really don’t understand a word.
Without exaggerations, it’s too high for me, too much unnecessary complexity compared to drag and drop an MP3 and just play it, on 123€ Android or my cheap old 40€ MP3 player.
Or compared to what I use most, my CD system (cables, amp, speakers, CD player and CD, simply):
Power on, insert CD, press play, open your ears, close your eyes, enjoy (all in lest than 5 seconds).
@dpr On the PC it is definitely still only iTunes the app that we start. No mention of Apple Music or Apple Devices on the screen.
The page I showed as an example above is from iTunes. And has not changed much in iTunes over the years. It shows a phone and what you can then do with it.
I’ll grab the screenshot on Monday of what we are stuck with. On the right mentions iCloud.
What I don’t see is that slightly baggier layout you have. And certainty no “Apple Devices” and “Apple Music” logos in the corner. No mention of Apple music anywhere. Just the old classic looking layout of iTunes.
I think the Apple Music Subscription mess is mainly on the phone end of things.
Note - this is not my phone, it is a friend I only get to see once a week or so. Which makes this harder to debug. iExplorer has allowed us to grab all the old music from the old device that looks like it is mostly MP3 files. And after some violence and swearing these are now all in iTunes on the PC.
I am not worrying to much about the tagging yet. The aim is just to get the same old mess of files that was on the old phone onto the new phone.
There are clearly errors in the tags as already spotted a few compilations split up. But I do not need to bring any of that into this thread as it is off topic enough and something to deal with another time.
@jesus2099 Don’t think she can take the Amp, CD player and Speakers onto the plane with her. No where to plug it in and will mess up her baggage quota. That’s kinda the problem. I did suggest to buy an old skool iPod from Ebay as they “just worked”.
And I totally agree with you that this is all confused madness. It is even more insane when you are sitting in front of it with multi-thousand pound phones in your hand and no way to add music to them. Let me just drag and drop.
Disagree. It they trick you into upgrading from iTunes on the PC to Apple Music the application on the PC, then they push Apple Music the subscription service. Loading local files into your library on the PC is more hidden. So,don’t do it!
Great.
Apple has its own way of doing compilations Later…
good, just wanted to understand where you are.
you can for other apps such as foobar2000 with flac files… see another thread…
No worries.This is not a debate about Apple vs Android. They are different and that is that. No amount of criticising Apple iPhones is going to make most iPhone users ditch their phones or help fix the Ivan’s friend’s problem.
I’m just trying to help @IvanDobsky with his friend’s iPhone.
I can assure you that there is no Apple Music app on the PC. Mainly because I have no idea where to download that app. (Yuk - just checked. That is a Microsoft Store App.)
As part of fixing this I specifically uninstalled all Apple programs using official uninstallers. Deleted their Program Files folders and Program Files\Common Files folders. And then trashed all Apple AppData folders. Even took out the old Music\iTunes folder. Full on scorched earth policy there . Redownloaded iTunes from ninite.com. Authorised and logged in.
I’ve seen iTunes enough over the last 20 years to recognise it in use. And it does not match your screen shots above. This is not Apple Music on the PC
I also have confirmed that the classic iTunes app on the PC can now access and play all the music from the hard drive without attempting to sync anything to\from the cloud. (See above note about violence)
We also went through a few random albums she had on the old phone and confirmed we can see them on iTunes with same number of tracks.(*)
First step next week is to log out on the PC. Then I will hit the phone with hammer until it behaves.
This I am aware of and trying to keep that conversation out of this thread to focus on the hardware. The files are a mess, were always a mess, but at least a mess that was playable.
(*) For people like us who like nice organised well tagged files her music is like a bomb went off in the middle of a Limewire folder. Utter chaos… but out of the scope of this thread. And yeah, she is suffering from “compilation” tag confusions and much beyond too horrific to go into the details of.
Certainly don’t want that debate in here. I am an Android user so was just a bit surprised as to the tangled mess this phone has become thanks to the official Apple Support people. (Seriously - you haven’t heard half the stories from that side! Almost as bad as Microsoft phone support!!)
iPhones are nice bits of kit and I would not persuade an iPhone owner to ditch it. We all have our personal choices. The Apple way of giving a focused solution is a great one for most.
I just happen to be an anarchist and need more choices so you ain’t getting my Android out of my hands.
I used ninite.com as I like their way of packaging software. It is also quicker to install that going through options.
When I first got the music into iTunes it was all grey and seemed to be getting lost in some massive sync. Until I spotted the sync button said “downloading from iCloud” and I managed to hit stop on it. Much swearing and poking and manipulating options stopping and starting iTunes finally got it showing me an all black list and not more little cloud icons.
This was around the time my patience was breaking…
This screen, on the right, last time I looked did not let me see the music in iTunes. This is the screen I have known for years. Instead of “Sync Music” it referred to “syncing iCloud”. I can’t remember the exact description but it implied that all it wanted to do was cloud sync the phone. Meanwhile the “On my device” music folder showed as empty…
We quit the Apple Music subscription on the phone. I assume as that will take 24 hours to stop is why I could do no more that day.
From a support page I read at Apple this kinda makes sense. That implied it is either sync cloud or sync iTunes. Not both.
Let me just drag and drop.
Later…
