Yes, like tags, for example 
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For me it has nothing to do with rules, just found it weird / funny to see a series like that. I’m not saying that it should be removed. If I would have known that my remark would make such a fuss, I would not have said anything
It’s also strange that no one can see a collection when it’s public unless “you stumble upon it”. There should be a button so you can see all public collection, otherwise what is the use of making them public
I am a cancer researcher by profession and can offer an opinion from that perspective. The “death by …” data seems more suited for collections that users must search for, rather than a series, because:
- The relationship is not music-related, just human related.
- The data are not highly accurate or verifiable.
Summary
The “cause of death” will often come from news stories, Wikipedia, obituaries. These often provide low-quality information because we do not have access to individual medical records. Some people have cancer plus other fatal conditions. Further, the tissue of origin of cancer is not always determined. A tumor that arises (for example) in the prostate or the mammary gland might spread to the lung, liver, bone, or brain. Especially before the 1980s, the cause of death might be ascribed to lung cancer, for instance, when the primary site was a tissue in another organ.
- The data are not complete enough to be helpful in research.
Summary
In principle, epidemiological research could be conceived. For example, we know that some head and neck cancer is associated with subtypes of human papilloma virus, and that liver cancer has some association with hepatitis B/C virus infection. We might speculate about relationships between cause of death and lifestyle of individuals. This is salacious and scientifically useless without full mortality and contact data on all artists in MusicBrainz – obviously not a desirable goal
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I think it’s time to revise Style/Relationships and further clarify what is not within the scope of MusicBrainz
There are many things you could add to MusicBrainz but are better suited for specialized databases or generic ones like Wikidata
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Like I said before why not make the public collections more public like Discgos does with list. Problem solved it think
It would be a shame to have this interesting information buried, whether it fits the schema or not imo.
Can’t say I agree with the gist of this. Artist pages are about the humans behind the music. We store birth and death dates.
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This seems like an attempt to convert Wikidata statements or Wikipedia lists/categories into MB series. Wikidata entities and Wikipedia list pages can have inline citations and are probably more likely to be maintained. Wikipedia categories are dynamic. Content like this is fine for Wikimedia projects, but (speaking as an advocate of MB), I don’t see much value in trying to replicate lists like those here.
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Tags, like Collections don’t have any way of annotating them. Series are so rich in the way we all allowed to document, manipulate and add to them. Seems a shame to to not be allowed to make use of them. Having to hide knowledge we want to share.
Agree this is the point at so many levels. While humans still make music, humans have other connections. It is what makes us human. We live. We die. We connect in many ways.
It is a pity if Wikipedia is to be the only place on the planet to learn information about musicians.
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There are no label, instrument, place, area or genre series. Unlike series tags can be used for any entity type on-the-fly, no need for separate series to catalog the same thing.
Oh, and there are no series for series either.
This is false, collections have descriptions.
If you didn’t refuse to use the bugtracker you would know that there are plenty feature and improvement suggestions for tags and collections. But these can’t be implemented overnight, it requires more resources than simply adding new series and relationship types.
BTW, a series of entities will show you less edits than a collection of the same set of entities.
So it makes more sense to use a collection for subscription purposes.
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This post is been used by HibiscusKazeneko to justify the deletion of any series that is not related to music. Also mentioning there has been a vote Edit #127829684 by the community.
The initial purpose of this post was to question the relevance of very weird series, like “death by” (4 of them still exists Search results - MusicBrainz) or “arrested for” 1 still left, created by her. Edit #94795958
Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy to see the “attended” series gone too since they were bewilderingly grouping students, teachers and anyone related to an educational institution, and also they duplicated study/teach AR.
But my question is where does it stop? since apparently “Dancing With the Stars” is not related to music
How bothering is it to have a President of the United States series?
This website is called MusicBrainz so should we only stick to music?
Should we get rid of audiobooks, speeches, etc. ?
And to those who claim series can be replaced by tags or collections, that is not the case, neither have dates attributes or ordering capabilities.
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I also saw some of those series disappearing. Many seemed to be in tagged “trivia”. As the series were neither complete or related to music I see no reason to keep them. A vague list of some people who had attended a university, or a few OBEs, or two presidents. This is data that Wikipedia seems more relevant for. And kept more up to date.
Musicbrainz is about audio and people who create audio. No doubt there are audiobooks by ex-presidents and speeches, and that is data for Musicbrainz, but I agree this does not really need a series to link a few of the presidents.
I do find it a little odd that so many of Dr Saunde’s series are being deleted, yet the death by and arrested for are still there.
Also where is the vote? That doesn’t seem to be this thread.
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personally, I don’t see an issue with series like the Presidents series, provided the members of the series are naturally in the database (i.e. not just added to be part of the series). it is in the most literal sense a series of people, after all
for what it’s worth, Dancing With the Stars does feel quite music-related to me, as music and dancing are so intertwined
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When I looked there were only two or three people in it. Trouble is if you have US presidents, then you need to have rulers of all other countries too. That’s gonna get out of hand and hard to keep up to date.
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Well we already have those, I don’t see how they can get “out of hand” it is not like there is a new pope or a new king/queen everyday, nor there is an emergency to have them “up to date”.
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Prime Ministers of Canada as well. I think these kinds of series are interesting myself. I don’t think they should be removed.
There is countless series, I don’t agree with get out of hand. And as for hard to keep up to date, that can be said about literally all of MusicBrainz. There is endless music, it’s hard to keep up to date. It’s up to individual editors to do so if they deem it worthy of their time.
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Nice one. Some good examples. All seem a little short of entries. Especially the Canadian one. Which is part of my point. If they are so badly incomplete then why have them? When most of the list is missing, it is kinda pointless.
I think it is also ironic that the Wikipedia page for the Monarch of United Kingdom is appearing in German.
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These series feel like a waste of MBID, the few interested people could just tag them, instead. 
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Tags feel like a bit of a random mess where anyone piles in with a word to attach no matter the accuracy. At least a Series seems fairly organised and traceable. There are some really weird tags out there.
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Quote from a random article
the estimated number of atoms in the observable universe is roughly 10⁸⁰. This means that there are more than 10⁵⁸ UUIDs for every atom in the observable universe
I think there is plenty to “waste”. 
Not hurting anyone, and they are there for others to easily add more to when they work on artists that fit. 
Personally even data that isn’t directly “Music” is still meaningful, in my opinion. It can influence the music. And can just be interesting(to some, maybe not everyone).
So we need a series series for leaders of the world and add each to that so it’s easy to browse and discover. Perfect!
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I am not sure how I’ve become the person seen as defending the deleting of these items. I’ve not deleted any.
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