how do we handle place names for stages on festivals?
the main event often is a general park or something like that.
do we then create parts for that park with the stage names?
what about stage names that change over the year. is it similar to sponserd venues where the name changes?
what about stages that change completely for instance:
pukkelpop used to have a stage called the skate stage. (it was an open stage, the only other open stage except for the main stage and had mostly punk and hardcore bands playing) but after a few years (mostly because of bad wheater) they changed the stage to a tent and called it the shelter. it was still the punk/hardcore stage just in a different format.
does that mean that there needs to be created a new venue and maybe link them as a moved to type of thing?
also, these venues are only used once per year. so it is possible that a name for the venue is only used once and then changes each year a little bit.
or what about stages that changes name during the day for instance.in rock herk you use to have the main stage and next to it you had a small stage that was called the “sk8-stage” (which was punk/hardcore) during the day, but in the evening the stage would change names to “dance area” (mostly dnb & dance music)
its in the same place but the same place has different name at a different time of the day
I’m not sure if I would create a place with the festival stage-type in all cases. I don’t think it would be wrong to do so, but personally I’d ask myself if that would be helpful for anyone, in many cases I would doubt it. I suppose it could be if a festival has had the same stages for several years in a row. So let’s say a large festival has a specific stage dedicated to hardcore punk, it could be useful to connect these sub-events to a place just so that you could get an overview of what punk bands played there throughout the years on one webpage.
But if the festival changes the stages a lot I’m not sure if I would add a place - festival stage for every stage. To be clear: I would make sub-events per stage, just not connect a place to every sub-event, but like you said just connect the park to the festival event itself (top-level event as opposed to its parts).
If you do dive into making the stages as places, I wouldn’t know the definitive answers to your questions, it all seems rather arbitrary. If a festival has a stage at the same location, but it changed names, is it the same stage? You could add aliases and dates for different names. But what about when it not only changed name but also it looks completely different, is it still the same stage? What about if it’s exactly the same stage, same name, but it changed locations, like the same stage just built up in a different location.
Because it all seems very arbitrary, I think you have some freedom as to how to structure it. So you should maybe go back to what use case you had in mind. Why is it that you would want to connect these sub-events to specific places. The use case behind it could probably guide you on how to structure it.
Just my thoughts, tbh never thought of these things before. I’d also be interested to hear others thoughts on this.
It’s work in progress, but I think it is explained reasonably well in the guidelines: Multi-day and multi-stage events
Even for multi-day events, usually only two levels are necessary. The first is “{festival} {year}” and the second is “{festival} {year}, {day}: {stage}”. All necessary relationships can be linked to these levels.
Top-level is located in the park, the per-stage event can be linked to the location of the stage. I would only do this, if this is a known and always the same location. If that is not the case, I would leave it with the mention of the stage in the event name. (edit:) The level (stage) would be still located in the park.
But you can add as many details as you want.
i think you can have 3 levels for multi day events.
“{festival} {year}” has sub events for each day: “{festival} {year}, {day}” wich in its way has sub events for each stage: “{festival} {yeah}, {day}: {stage}”
You can, but you probably will not need the middle layer if you have stage names. I have entered an event with 3 layers and removed the Day n afterwards because there were only redundant relationships for the day.
i don’t think they are redundant.
i have a collection of the events that i attended.
i always add the highest event that i attended.
so if it is a multiple day/multiple stage event and i go all days i collect the event with the name “{festival} {year}”.
but if i only attend 1 day of that festival i collect the event with name “{fetival} {year}, {day}” because that will include ALL the stages
if you don’t have that middle layer it would mean that i would need to collect each stage individually and that feels annoying.
also, shouldn’t we follow the code guidelines? i though they where there so we all do the same?
It’s written in the guidelines:
“For multi-day festivals consisting of individual showcases, enter a top level event for the festival plus an event per showcase; a per-day middle layer is only suggested if needed for clarity.”
Nevertheless, if you have information about the stages, that would still be the best. If not, it will have to stay with the day anyway, but there will be no more specific third layer then.
i think it is always handy to have a day event. say an artist cancels before after it was announced on what day it would play but before it was announced how the stages lineup would look like.
also, if i can buy a ticket for it, it should be an event.
for instance:
i can buy a combi ticket for event “{festival} {year}”
and i can buy a day ticket for event “{festival} {year}, {day}”
i can’t buy a ticket for “{festival} {year}, {day}: {stage}”, to be able to attend that event i have to buy the “{festival} {year}, {day}” ticket.
if there are multi day multi stage events that ONLY have combi tickets then i understand that you have “{festival} {year}” event with underneath it “{festival} {year}, {day}: {stage}” events. but if you have day ticket it should be 3 layers.
Keep in mind that’s for showcases (where you have different shows in different venues) rather than for traditional festivals where you can freely move from one stage to another since they are in relatively close locations in the same general festival area.
I have to admit, I didn’t think much about “event art” and such things, because everything else apart from per-day tickets would be information for the stage (including date) or the festival as a whole.
