CD Pressing Information

Uden has no glass mastering in 1991. Their first LBR was installed in 1996.¹ But the design of the mastering SID indicates it was not glass mastered until 2000 and it was pressed even later by Mediamotion Uden (mother/father/son stamp and ifpi AAH**)
And it was not “Made in Germany” - and this fact indicates that there was a German 1991 release and this release has probably unchanged artwork.
But probably the release date should be removed. It was definitely not made by the same manufacturer.

¹) A correspondence with a former engineer from Uden was shared on Discogs: https://www.discogs.com/forum/thread/906037?message_id=9391054&page=1#9345871

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The printing on the front of the disk made me think this was a glass master sent from Germany for pressing at UDEN. And they used the same artwork on the front of it. Forgetting to change the Made in Germany printed text. Similar barcodes also appear on Sonopress CDs in the early 1990s. And I have dozens of Alsdorf CDs that look exactly like this with the layout of the boxes.

This clearly points to German manufactured copies of this Release being out there somewhere.

The comment about maybe getting away with a 1990s date is based on that “Made in Germany” artwork still being intact late in the 90s here. It is hard to know when the first CD came out of UDEN like this. If now we are being blind to the SID code, we have no way of setting any dates here.

I would have added this with no date on it if I had it in hand, too much doubt to give me a date.

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I disagree. Look at the U in Uden. And of course L046 was definitely an Uden LBR.

An early German glass master may have been pressed in Uden, but this release has not yet been documented. And even if the CD design is unchanged, it is not certain whether this also applies to the booklet. :frowning:

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I added the date from Discogs before looking at the matrix, so I agree with you here

hard to say after the bit of research I did adding it, I didn’t find a matching label with a search on Discogs or MusicBrainz. there is a similar label His Master’s Voice Digital

https://www.discogs.com/label/642962-His-Masters-Voice-Digital

in fact, I added His Master’s Voice DRM to MusicBrainz while adding this release

edit: put in an edit to remove the release date: Edit #90168042 - MusicBrainz

My whole point of “this came from Germany and pressed in UDEN” is due to the artwork. Why else have the Made in Germany on the paintwork on the CD?

I get a feeling this is a few masters down the road, many years later so all the Matrix detail is now Dutch. Yet it still has paintwork pointing to an original source. I understand all those SIDs are showing a much later release.

Lack of an example of a German pressed CD does not mean there are none out there. The barcode fit neatly in with a couple of German Sonopress releases

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Is His Masters Voice Digital the same as His Masters Voice DRM? What does DRM mean in this context? I could not find many examples. (And this is where FUNKEY ILLUSTRATED RECORDS userscript can help a lot search for a logo)

honestly, I’ve got no clue. I just saw a similar-looking logo and figured they were probably related somehow. I’m away from my PC at the moment, otherwise I’d help look. :wink:

there are EMI DRM and EMI Digital labels, with an angel instead of His Master’s Voice, could also be related

https://www.discogs.com/label/580271-EMI-DRM

https://www.discogs.com/label/39845-EMI-Digital

after a brief look at those two on Discogs, DRM seems to be much less used than Digital, and neither were used much after 1990-ish, provided Discogs’ dates are to be believed. it does seem they operated about the same time, with Digital’s earliest releases being around 1981 (maybe as early as 1979 according to the profile), and the earliest DRM date I saw being around 1985 or so.

granted, that could be all moot, since neither are His Master’s Voice :dog2:

What is even more of a puzzle on your release is the CD packaging has the His Masters Voice DRM logo on it, and the CD is EMI Classics. :upside_down_face:

I’ve seen that kinda thing before, where the case has an old label and the disc has a newer label. Warner Records began in 2019, vs the old Warner Bros. shield on the back. no scans of this one yet… sorry

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Sometimes I wonder about the second hand market causing this mixture. But then I also look at how cheap the record industry tries to be and it does not surprise me to see CDs from one series repacked in new boxes.

This is an especially interesting example as they are being too cheap to even bother printing “Made in Holland” on that CD. Normally their simple get-out is “Made in EU”

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that’s very true. I’ve got several releases missing slipcovers and whatnot in my collection.

in both of these cases though, I’m pretty sure it’s not secondhand shenanigans. I got Rumors new from Walmart, and Carmen came from my grandparent’s collection, and they might have bought it new on one of their trips to Germany.

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okay, after a bit more research into the MediaMotion lead from @ernstlx, I’m thinking it was likely pressed by them and mastered at EMI Uden? don’t know where the “Made in Germany” comes in tho, could be a simple misprint.

MediaMotion acquired the Uden plant in June 2004. It looks like the disc was glass mastered and pressed there.¹ Maybe first released before the acquisition and repressed later or all around 2004.

¹) After the acquisition they changed their mould SID from 15** to AAH** (slowly, it wasn’t replaced instantly on all machines). It was the same code as at other Mediamotion plants, but AFAIK “ifpi AAH**” (logo style) was only used in Uden. All others pressed IFPI AAH** (all caps).
But MediaMotion owned plants all over Europe (some are not very well documented). It’s still possible that it was actually pressed in Germany. However, that is not very likely. After Uden was closed, “ifpi” can no longer be found.

I guess they didn’t care much about “Made in Holland” during their last years and printed the original CD label design. But I have to admit that I don’t know if this is the original design. It’s not on Discogs…

EDIT: This means…
Glass mastered at EMI Uden
Pressed by MediaMotion …that can be said with certainty :slight_smile:

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