It’s not just tools,
What purpose is there in creation, if not done by ourselves?
It loses interest, artistically, intellectually.
We should ban photography at once! And also writing tools, what purpose is there in writing if not with your own blood and sweat.
+ 1 for proper marking, but not forbidding or deleting AI music
They can have some specific parts of music, that they hate write by themself as instrumentals, drums, harmony, melody, lyrics etc. Also even if they don’t have time, friends or money for writing everything by themself or with real musicians only. There is a bunch of situations where tracks cannot be made massively by real musicians, because it is too time wasteful, and here AI win because not only musicians can create tracks for situations of this kind. For instance, in Runet we have a song “Говновоз”. And its text was adapted to thousands of other songs, where lyrics were adapted by humans and after that added to original songs by AI. Most of these thematic AI covers were made by non musicians and without its help this interesting cultural phenomenon would never exist. And one day I want to add these covers to DB. Unfortunately, it is too tricky and time wasteful too add video as release, so for now I still add releases made by real humans mainly (which I like, but I want to be able to add interesting AI stuff as well).
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAmRypJkL0BI0IO7pgi0GKpIdS6k65r_a
Not everyone has the same understanding of music creation, don’t you agree? And even if someone don’t really want to make ‘art’ in this meaning, why shouldn’t it be allowed?
Also DAWs, MIDI and almost all EDM. In a fact, it is a music synthesized by computer from some prepared sounds mostly, but still synthesized, which means it wasn’t fully created by humans.
Sorry for being too emotional ![]()
These computer editors, the samplers, even, are tools, indeed, no problem.
Not the same as let something (AI) do completely or partly for you and not telling so.
They are obviously tools. They help human creativity. Different tools help at different ways and at different levels. Playing a theremin is very difficult and require a lot of skill while clocking together a few loops in FL Studio don’t require as much skill. Generative AI is just another way to create music.
You mentioned earlier that you though of yourself as a musician making MODs. I guess you didn’t create the samples yourself (“Stolen!”) and it was done on a computer. Many wouldn’t consider you an artist as you don’t play an instrument yourself.
See my answer to Libra.
Tracking module is not playing instruments, indeed, it’s still writing (creating) a score, note by note, yourself.
Even if I was young, I think I usually gave credits for the instrument samples I used (in their filenames).
No, that’s just slop. You just press some keys and the computer creates the music. There is no creativity at all. ![]()
I know you are joking but here is an example for those who don’t know.
Soundtracker (modules) is not random keypressing.
This Open Cubic Player (opencp) replayer, shows for each 4 channels: Sample, Note, Volume and Effect:
Another 18 channel Impulse Tracker 2 example:
FTR, I used Protracker then Audio Sculpture (paid) on Atari. Then on PC, MTM, Scream Tracker 3 then Impulse Tracker 2 (I donated). And nowadays Schism Tracker. And XMPlay is a very faithful replayer on Windows.
Back in the 80s electronic music was often dismissed (especially by metalheads) as not requiring any talent. “You just press a button and it plays the music”. Now you are here doing the same thing.
Composing in a tracker definitely required a musical and programming effort. Limited resouces necessitated trimming of short samples to produce new instruments and juggling them between free channels. The demo scene includes examples of amazing creations of “keygen” music using just elementary wave cycles. An example of relatively mainstream music composed this way was the soundtrack of the game “Unreal”.
There were cheerful electronic tunes made with other technology, such “Go Go Yellow Screen”. Perhaps a better comparison are releases of drone music from prolific artists like “Bull of Heaven”. The sheer length of them suggests machine assisted creation.
Pop music often resembles other work from its time with low innovation. People would argue about its artistic value. Some of this music has been since forgotten and sent to vinyl heaven. But it is all subjective.
I do admit to liking a few AI releases and hearing bits of other music in them.
Indeed, you just have to press play when you have already built the recording before.
Electronic music is rarely really performed, it’s just replayed.
But I’m not criticising the fact that it’s pre-built and just replayed instead of played live. See my answer to Libra.
I’m criticising the fact that no person did build the music, AI did.
So it’s not interesting.
It may sound good, but knowing that it does not come from someone but it comes from automatic rip off, makes it uninteresting/depressing/shit.
And moreover, there is a problem with not saying the recording is an AI rip off, pretending to be an artist. It’s what makes it an AI scam.
You are of course wrong about that. Someone did make the decisions that led to the actual music. The AI is not different from an arpeggiator, a track sequencer, or for that matter a pre-made audio loop or a sample.
That is your subjective opinion, not a fact. I find the vast majority of EDM, rap and mainstream pop uninteresting and boring, but I wouldn’t make a campaign to get MB to remove it. Nor would I vandalise the database to force it.
I disagree. The tools used to make the music is of little importance.
OK so we don’t agree now.
There are even stats about that.
Sad to see that there are people in the MB community defending these inherently unethical tools and drawing absurd comparisons to electronic music.
I dont understand why we as a species are so intent on making AI/robots make music, create art, write prose when really I just want some boffin to figure out making them do stuff that I don’t want to do like washing my clothes or washing the dishes ![]()