# When a Series has sub-series, should a Release Group be present in both series or only the most specific level?

**URL:** https://community.metabrainz.org/t/when-a-series-has-sub-series-should-a-release-group-be-present-in-both-series-or-only-the-most-specific-level/550475
**Category:** Style
**Tags:** release-group-series
**Created:** [September 11, 2021, 1:16am UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/when-a-series-has-sub-series-should-a-release-group-be-present-in-both-series-or-only-the-most-specific-level/550475 "2021-09-11T01:16:36Z")
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### Author: ![yindesu](https://community.metabrainz.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/b77776/32.png) [@yindesu](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/yindesu)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2021, 1:16am UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/when-a-series-has-sub-series-should-a-release-group-be-present-in-both-series-or-only-the-most-specific-level/550475/1 "2021-09-11T01:16:36Z")

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I notice that [Do not cluster - MusicBrainz](https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Do_not_cluster) is “no longer” a guideline, but still something we’re supposed to keep in mind. Should we be applying this to Series and sub-Series?

For example, [Release group “Xenoblade Original Soundtrack” by 下村陽子、ACE+、清田愛未 & 光田康典 - MusicBrainz](https://musicbrainz.org/release-group/22d84e56-4266-4905-8abc-2db79c3a0a4d) is currently a part of the specific series [Xenoblade - MusicBrainz](https://musicbrainz.org/series/e2d9d3fe-ee73-4a85-900f-b727a19f4b04) but it used to be a part of the generic parent series [Xeno - MusicBrainz](https://musicbrainz.org/series/c604e5d3-2a72-432d-b401-d2aa4aa69fb0)

Is it ideal to link the Release Group only to the most specific Series? (The most specific Series is a subseries of a parent Series that does not get a direct link to the Release Group.)

For a larger example, consider [Dancemania - MusicBrainz](https://musicbrainz.org/series/d316d733-9d75-4eb3-aa41-f0fcf6f502bd) which has a dozen subseries - we don’t want to link hundreds of release groups to both the most specific Series as well as the parent Series, right?

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### Author: ![Totosaurio3279](https://community.metabrainz.org/user_avatar/community.metabrainz.org/totosaurio3279/32/25805_2.png) [@Totosaurio3279](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/Totosaurio3279)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2021, 11:23am UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/when-a-series-has-sub-series-should-a-release-group-be-present-in-both-series-or-only-the-most-specific-level/550475/2 "2021-09-11T11:23:32Z")

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I think we should only link the RG to the specific subseries and then let the hierarchy of series do the rest of the work.  
If it is a part of a subseries, it is included in the bigger series so it’s redundant to add it twice IMO

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### Author: ![aerozol](https://community.metabrainz.org/user_avatar/community.metabrainz.org/aerozol/32/116_2.png) [@aerozol](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/aerozol)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/when-a-series-has-sub-series-should-a-release-group-be-present-in-both-series-or-only-the-most-specific-level/550475/3 "2021-09-11T21:37:14Z")

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Maybe a toggle or tab that shows all releases in sub series in a series window would be a good idea? Shall I open a ticket?

Because I have the opposite opinion to @Totosaurio3279, when there’s heaps of subseries you might still want a place where you can view all the related releases, without clicking through to each lower level and then keeping a bunch of tabs open.

e.g. If I want to see all Xeno releases in release order it’s not necessarily helpful to be pointed to a page with links to 10 sub franchises

This is case by case obv, sometimes not linking them might make sense. In the Humble Bundle series I ended up taking out audiobooks from the parent series because it was getting v. messy:  
[https://musicbrainz.org/series/4e4ad619-1b26-48d1-8bda-98f0241e1908](https://musicbrainz.org/series/4e4ad619-1b26-48d1-8bda-98f0241e1908)

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### Author: ![Totosaurio3279](https://community.metabrainz.org/user_avatar/community.metabrainz.org/totosaurio3279/32/25805_2.png) [@Totosaurio3279](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/Totosaurio3279)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2021, 12:58am UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/when-a-series-has-sub-series-should-a-release-group-be-present-in-both-series-or-only-the-most-specific-level/550475/4 "2021-09-12T00:58:21Z")

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> [@aerozol](#):
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> when there’s heaps of subseries you might still want a place where you can view all the related releases,

Well, that might be true, and I actually use a funcion like that a lot in VGMdb when I search for a franchise, but for longer ones it does get very extensive like [this example](https://vgmdb.net/product/3559).

I think a toggle could work really well, or… well, maybe moving the subseries to the top like in VGMdb? If it does get REALLY extensive I most certainly don’t want to scroll a whole lot to find such important data

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### Author: ![jesus2099](https://community.metabrainz.org/user_avatar/community.metabrainz.org/jesus2099/32/36_2.png) [@jesus2099](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/jesus2099)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2021, 7:04pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/when-a-series-has-sub-series-should-a-release-group-be-present-in-both-series-or-only-the-most-specific-level/550475/5 "2021-09-12T19:04:15Z")

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> [@yindesu](#):
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> Is it ideal to link the Release Group only to the most specific Series?

I think so, yes.

> [@aerozol](#):
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> Maybe a toggle or tab that shows all releases in sub series in a series window would be a good idea? Shall I open a ticket?

This could be nice, indeed.

Note how for areas we display all sub area entities: [France - Artists - MusicBrainz](https://musicbrainz.org/area/08310658-51eb-3801-80de-5a0739207115/artists)

Here it could be better to display sub series entities only after some click, like for sub-works with @loujin userscript: [musicbrainz-scripts/mb-display\_split\_recordings.user.js at master · loujine/musicbrainz-scripts · GitHub](https://github.com/loujine/musicbrainz-scripts/blob/master/mb-display_split_recordings.user.js)
