Hi all, Long time no post. I hope you are all doing well.
I have this CD:
The existing entry has a Spotify album. The database exactly reproduces the Spotify song titles, but the CD has slightly different song titles (like é vs É and the like). Should I update the Spotify song titles based on the CD?
Thanks! Greg
A Spotify release and a CD release are two separate releases (within the same Release Group).
The track titles on each release should match their source.
I believe the prevailing wisdom is that the recording titles should match the CD release, because it is the more concrete evidence of the intended titles.
…except, capitalization should follow the usual rules which means the é in “Ela é Carioca” should be corrected for the digital release, regardless of how it is written on Spotify.
However, if you have a CD version of this album, do not hesitate to create a new release for it.
Happened to be on the forum, so I ended up getting there first! (After following your link.)
Btw, it seems carioca is a term for somebody from Rio, which I think means it would probably be lower case in Portuguese as well (especially since the name of the city is in the middle), but I might have got this wrong!
Hmm, somehow Carioca became carioca while I was not noticing. Did someone edit it?
The CD tracks are “Title Case” rather than “Sentence case.” Also, it is a proper noun, and a web search suggests it should be upper case in Portuguese. For these reasons I will revert to upper case.
I’m pretty sure that Portuguese has no title case, that’s only for English titles.
According to AI it should be lower-case, so it would be correct as it is now. (I do not fully trust my all-knowing assistant. )
In Portuguese, proper nouns (substantivos próprios) always begin with an upper-case (capital) letter, much like in English. [1, 2]
Origin: The word comes from the Tupi indigenous term for the Carioca River, meaning “house of the white man”. [1]
I did a little further digging, and Portuguese web pages are inconsistent (both cases are found, Edit: though lower case seems more common). Ideally we’d see a Brazilian album cover or two to confirm, but that is more work than I am willing to do. Feel free to revert back to lower if you feel strongly about it.
Separately, how does one copy the album cover from the digital to the CD release?
Changing capitalization is not a big deal and certainly not the most important thing.
You definitely shouldn’t do that! Ideally, you should scan the CD cover, but if that isn’t possible, leave it without an image. A digital image should never be used as the CD cover. It will very likely differ from the actual CD cover (which is often not square).
Agreed. If we let the language field be English and the title is Title Case, that is consistent. [Mixed Languages] with Sentence case would be equally consistent.
A digital image should never be used as the CD cover. It will very likely differ from the actual CD cover (which is often not square).
Re: capitalisation – after ernstlx’s comment, I looked at a few Wikipedia pages in Portuguese, which seemed a bit inconsistent. I was mainly looking for actual sentences with the term in (because I am not sure if Wikipedia uses the same conventions as MB for capitalising song titles etc.), but without much success. It’s a proper noun when referring to the river, but I don’t think it would be when referring to people: Portuguese does not capitalise words referring to someone’s nationality, for example. Long story short, I don’t know, so I won’t change it any more. I agree it is not critical!
An aside on the release language: style asks for this to be set to the most common language used ( Style / Release - MusicBrainz ), with multiple languages reserved for when several are used equally. In this case the release language is English because almost all the titles are, but it is still site style to capitalise each individual track title according to the language it’s in.
Brazilian portuguese speaker here. “Carioca” in this context means “person who was born on the city of Rio de Janeiro”. It’s not a proper noun, so it’s not capitalized.
I wouldn’t do that as default thing. If you can save time editing, you should.
I would suggest the following: if streaming platform has identical but higher resolution cover, you should use it. They very often come in the 3000x3000 resolution. If that is not the case, you can use userscripts to check for existing scans/covers.
Art Station has MH integegration with 1 click and integration with basically all streaming providers on another click. It allows you to quickly compare between them and choose the best. This is the fastest way to have covers, so you don’t need to copy them from other release. However, if you want to do that, just copy the cover link and paste it in Art Station on another release and you are done. Or download all and drop it on another release (couple of clicks, useful if there are many covers).
You will save 20 minutes or so that is required to prepare, scan, format etc. the cover. Scan cover only if all existing covers differ or they have low resolution (e.g. Discogs 600x600). Note that high quality scans can mostly be found on Soulseek (which MH searches, but its better to use native client like Nicotine++).
Here is example with 1 discogs via MH, 1 discogs via external link, and 1 found on blog (using AS features). Its clear that all 3 fronts are the same and that third one is the best (you can full screen them and use arrows and zoom to compare image details).