# SACEM has \[not\] changed their work ID
**URL:** https://community.metabrainz.org/t/sacem-has-not-changed-their-work-id/295267
**Category:** Style
**Tags:** performancerightsorganisations, sacem, iswcnet, works
**Created:** [June 30, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/sacem-has-not-changed-their-work-id/295267 "2017-06-30T12:43:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 12
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### Author:  [@jesus2099](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/jesus2099)
#### Post date: [June 30, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/sacem-has-not-changed-their-work-id/295267/1 "2017-06-30T12:43:19Z")
I should study more in depth and open some ticket but I writing this problem down here, otherwise I’ll forget (I already forgot this once or twice recently, now another time I come across it, I don’t want to have to remember it myself):
[SACEM](https://repertoire.sacem.fr) used to have a short integer ID for works.
Now they use something that looks like our Disc ID and work permalinks no longer work, we have to use work search URL instead (cf. second edit, lower).
I must verify that they are actually work ID and not search session ID or seomthing bogus like that.
[LETTER TO HERMIONE](https://musicbrainz.org/work/96d46989-fe81-3050-8574-885c21e248d8):
- used to be [7300202211](https://musicbrainz.org/edit/41131414)
- is now [20x6roh531N2tQwGshfliKVYRdB0gE1cjc1pm0qC5c0=](https://musicbrainz.org/edit/46296350)
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### Author:  [@reosarevok](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/reosarevok)
#### Post date: [June 30, 2017, 1:48pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/sacem-has-not-changed-their-work-id/295267/2 "2017-06-30T13:48:48Z")
… so wait, did the _links_ break, or is the ID not used at all anymore? (in which case, I guess it wasn’t meant as an ID in the first place?)
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### Author:  [@HibiscusKazeneko](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/HibiscusKazeneko)
#### Post date: [June 30, 2017, 1:50pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/sacem-has-not-changed-their-work-id/295267/3 "2017-06-30T13:50:54Z")
I don’t think there ever were any direct links via work attributes. (AFAIK that function was only ever used for JASRAC IDs.)
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### Author:  [@Freso](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/Freso)
#### Post date: [June 30, 2017, 3:18pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/sacem-has-not-changed-their-work-id/295267/4 "2017-06-30T15:18:04Z")
Just going to repeat my edit note:
> [@Freso](#):
>
> Just because it’s part of the URL it doesn’t make it a SACEM ID. Nowhere on that page does it say “SACEM ID: xxxxxx”, I only see “Code IPI” and “Code ISWC”. The URL I get when looking at this work on SACEM is [Répertoire des Œuvres - La Sacem](https://repertoire.sacem.fr/detail-oeuvre/ln28Hl18RxTGhW3T45XZyuLK2SGqBNBEqxIN0IDKO4E=/HERMIONE%20S%20LETTER?query=Letter%20to%20Hermione&filters=titles#searchBtn) - so it seems like the “ln28Hl18RxTGhW3T45XZyuLK2SGqBNBEqxIN0IDKO4E=” part isn’t tied specifically to any given work.
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### Author:  [@yvanzo](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/yvanzo)
#### Post date: [June 30, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/sacem-has-not-changed-their-work-id/295267/5 "2017-06-30T18:41:18Z")
On one hand, SACEM repertoire website used to expose ISWC only, although an integer was used in URLs, as shown in this [archived example](http://web.archive.org/web/20161222222842/https://repertoire.sacem.fr/droit-auteur/AIVA%20SYMPHONIC%20FANTASY%20OPUS%207%20THE%20AWAKENING%20IN%20G%20SHARP%20MINOR/3552274701?query=aiva&filters=parties) of SACEM work page with old-fashion URL.
On the other side, SACEM is known to identify works with integer IDs called COCV (_Code Œuvre, Code Version_ literally _Work Code, Version Code_). Looking at [COCV examples](http://web.archive.org/web/20170630181023/http://www.pierreyvesplat.com/wp-content/uploads/sacem/Pyp%20-%20Sacem.pdf), it might be the same integer used in old SACEM repertoire URLs, although it still has to be confirmed/disconfirmed with a complete example. (There is nothing about [Works by Pierre-Yves Plat in MBDB](https://musicbrainz.org/artist/f966ef04-051c-43c2-9723-2b462cb4e067/works).)
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### Author:  [@SURIV](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/SURIV)
#### Post date: [July 1, 2017, 12:01am UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/sacem-has-not-changed-their-work-id/295267/6 "2017-07-01T00:01:26Z")
Also repeating my edit notes here, since this may be useful in the future, and it’s easier to search the forum than edit notes:
You can still lookup works by the COCV/SACEM ID using a URL like this: [https://sigried.sacem.fr/oeuvres/oeuvre/printOeuvre.do?cocv=7300202211](https://sigried.sacem.fr/oeuvres/oeuvre/printOeuvre.do?cocv=7300202211)
However, that site seems to be pretty broken. I have to clear cookies or use a new incognito window for each search, otherwise I get an error.
To find the COCV based on the title and artist, use [this search page](https://sigried.sacem.fr/oeuvres/), find the work you want, click “Version imprimable” in the bottom left of the popup, and the COCV will be in the address bar.
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### Author:  [@jesus2099](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/jesus2099)
#### Post date: [December 10, 2018, 7:29pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/sacem-has-not-changed-their-work-id/295267/7 "2018-12-10T19:29:34Z")
Unfortunately they took their SACEM ID permalink friendly **sigried** server down now and permalinks don’t work any more:
- [https://sigried.sacem.fr/oeuvres/mobile/detailOeuvre.do?cocv=7300202211](https://sigried.sacem.fr/oeuvres/mobile/detailOeuvre.do?cocv=7300202211) NG
- [https://sigried.sacem.fr/oeuvres/oeuvre/printOeuvre.do?cocv=7300202211](https://sigried.sacem.fr/oeuvres/oeuvre/printOeuvre.do?cocv=7300202211) NG
Last time I could use it was on [Wednesday 2018-12-05](https://musicbrainz.org/edit/57864918).
First time I noticed it wasn’t there anymore on [Friday 2018-12-07](https://musicbrainz.org/edit/57907056).
Very fortunately, their SACEM WORK CODE is still visible in HTML source code as first and only result of [Résultats de recherche - La Sacem](https://repertoire.sacem.fr/resultats?filters=titles,parties&query=letter%20to%20herm,bowie&nbWorks=10) (the only linkable stuff), shows:
> ‘sacem work code’:‘ **7300202211** ’,‘iswc’:‘T-900.011.418.1’,…
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### Author:  [@jesus2099](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/jesus2099)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/sacem-has-not-changed-their-work-id/295267/8 "2020-11-03T16:15:34Z")
> [@jesus2099](#):
>
> 7300202211
Just for the record:
Now they completely hid their work codes away, even from their source code.
It’s became an internal code for them.
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### Author:  [@reosarevok](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/reosarevok)
#### Post date: [November 4, 2020, 1:02pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/sacem-has-not-changed-their-work-id/295267/9 "2020-11-04T13:02:07Z")
Do they still get shown in ISWCNet?
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### Author:  [@jesus2099](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/jesus2099)
#### Post date: [November 4, 2020, 1:15pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/sacem-has-not-changed-their-work-id/295267/10 "2020-11-04T13:15:28Z")
> [@jesus2099](#):
>
> **7300202211**
Oh! Excellent!
I didn’t know we would see all agency work codes in [ISWC: Portal](http://ISWCnet.cisac.org/search)!
It’s awesome! Thanks @reosarevok!
There is also JASRAC and many others. For LETTER TO HERMIONE for instance, there are more than 20 agencies referenced!
~~It’s a pity their navigation apparently does not allow permalinks…~~
Wow, we can actually link to an ISWC search!
- [Connected](https://iswcnet.cisac.org/search?iswc=T9025038282)
- [LETTER TO HERMIONE](https://iswcnet.cisac.org/search?iswc=T9000114181)
Super handy!
Butt these ISWC search links don’t work on Firefox for Android, always asking to log in.
It worked on my Vivaldi PC.
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### Author:  [@chaban](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/chaban)
#### Post date: [November 5, 2020, 5:19am UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/sacem-has-not-changed-their-work-id/295267/11 "2020-11-05T05:19:23Z")
> [@jesus2099](#):
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> Butt these ISWC search links don’t work on Firefox for Android, always asking to log in.
Blame the reCAPTCHA bullshit. Get [Buster](https://github.com/dessant/buster) if you are getting of tired solving them manually.
Too bad Mozilla crippled Firefox for Android though.
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### Author:  [@jesus2099](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/jesus2099)
#### Post date: [November 5, 2020, 8:09am UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/sacem-has-not-changed-their-work-id/295267/12 "2020-11-05T08:09:14Z")
It’s more a problem with iswcnet itself, how it manages how people enter their site with either referrer (previous page) not being outside their site, session cookies, etc.
So on mobile we have to copy the URL and if we paste it in the address bar, it works. On PC, once logged in, it works with the link
But thanks very **very much** for the Buster extension, I installed it on Firefox for Android (v68), and on my PC (Firefox and Vivaldi). It’s such a relief, this extension!!!