Punctuation in Titles and Sort Order

I’ve a question about titles that begin with punctuation and sorting.
So titles like (I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction or “Was hat der Junge doch für Nerven” get listed in the wrong order (IMO) by most players. I would expect the first title to be listed in the S’s and the second in the W’s. I’m thinking the title sort order could be something like Satisfaction, I Can’t Get No and Was hat der Junge doch für Nerven but there is nothing in the style guides that I can find about this.