Is it possible to force the creators of new releases to add label and number?

Here is what I said but in better explained:

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When we force editors to input edit notes, we see many bad edit notes.
If we force fields that are difficult to find information for, we will end up with original release date for all editions or even random dates.

And “no data” is always better than “wrong data”.

“No data” is a call to research while “wrong data” is assumed correct.

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I don’t understand how it’s difficult to find the label or catalog number, and thus the year of release. In what cases is that difficult? If you’re able to set up the correct list of songs, then you must have gotten that list somewhere. And that place would most certainly mention those fields I talk about, otherwise the source is garbage and shouldn’t be used. As good sources I would figure you include the album itself, Wikipedia, or other sites on the net. A list from grandpa really wouldn’t do. :slight_smile:

Take a random example, then:

  • Label: ISLAND
  • Catalogue number(s): CID 8025 / 524 005-2
  • Release date: :thinking:

Apart from the oringial edition that you bought in stores the day of release, how could you easily find the release date of each re-press?

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Took me 10 seconds.

I got out my copy of “New Rock Record” by Terry Hounsome 2nd edition, just in case you wanted to test me. :slight_smile:

I was trying to add release year yesterday for a release I physically own, and there was no date anywhere on the packaging or the medium. Discogs also has no date for it.

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Band name and title?

It’s this one, which I finally found a date for on that site. But your claim that a good source (such as the original release) will always have those fields is not true. And no, we don’t expect people to always dig as much as I did for that one. I only found it when including the label in the search terms, and even then it wasn’t near the top.

I ended up creating a master release for it in discogs in the meantime because I found it there twice, first.

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Released first time in 1960 on Reflections (correct name seems to be Red Sails In The Sunset). Sadly I couldn’t make a search on label or catalog number, since you didn’t include it. Would be easier if you gave me the information you had at the time.

That info is on the allmusic page I linked, but it’s here on MusicBrainz. I wasn’t looking for the track or the original release date, just the release date of the specific release I have.

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Why this one and not one of the other 10+ editions/pressings with same label and catalogue numbers?
None of which are released the same date.
The dates are unknown or not proven, including for the page you link to (no release date, apparently, which is the safest bet).

And no, © and ℗ dates are not release dates, they are earlier (sometimes, the original edition can be released same year but it’s not guaranteed)

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Just added, with full scans:


Anyone please have a go.
a) “CD Remastered by Daniel Groussman, March, 2004” = release date later than that.
b) Matrix/runout: “CTEXINC.COM/CA/886-501 15060”

Discogs has 2 separate releases:
https://www.discogs.com/release/6330897
https://www.discogs.com/release/8463659
Both without release groups, so I cannot link to the just added one’s.

Recordings are obviously the same as here
https://musicbrainz.org/release/adf95865-098a-40bb-9ae9-3b80d8a2dc68/disc/2#disc2
but in a different cut.

I found it to be released in 2000 (although one places did say 1984, which I don’t believe to be correct)?

https://www.amazon.com/Red-Sails-Sunset-Platters-2000-05-22/dp/B01K8MXV7I
https://www.ebay.com/p/1305432299

But those aren’t necessarily good sources.

Anyway, if you followed the thread I did relax a little and said that it’s the label and catalog number that are essential, and if you don’t have those, then you don’t have an official album. :slight_smile:

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Guessing it’s an unofficial copy. ctex.inc was (is?) an indie company. Personally I would have entered it as the original, if the titles match. No use cluttering the database with unlawful copies?

I agree about 2000, which is why that’s what I put in my edit. Amazon’s date is always a little suspect, but at least confirms the year. Allmusic has April of the same year. eBay as a source for anything except scans isn’t great, but more confirmation of the year doesn’t hurt.

It’s entirely possible that there was a version of this released in 1984, but it’s not this one.

Probably, but you might have a bootleg. :smiley: I came into possession of a few of those in some big lots of CDs I acquired recently.

This is pretty much the opposite of MusicBrainz philosophy. If there’s anything different about it, it’s a new release.

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In that case it could be a box to tick for bootleg/unofficial/pirate releases?

Yes, when adding a release you can select bootleg instead of official.

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Ok. Personally I don’t have much interest in that part. A friend of mine has a bunch of Beatles and Zeppelin, maybe even Hendrix, bootlegs. But they sound awful and don’t interest me much. Of course, they might have monetary value, but then I’d stash them in a frame and hang them on the wall (I have a copy of an album by AH-A pre A-ha, but it isn’t much to listen to. I keep it since it’s a gift from the producer). :slight_smile: