Hello,
I removed the artist name from one compilation based on current the guidelines Style / Titles - MusicBrainz as there is a part speaking about the performer in titles (added in April 2018):
Performers in titles
Release and release group titles shouldn’t generally contain performers unless they are clearly part of the title (either the performer includes it when mentioning the album, or the title seems “unfinished” without the performer name).
- “The Best of Tangerine Dream”, not just “The Best Of” (compare with “The Best”).
Then one editor raised fair concerns about the use of “Intégrale” which seems “Unfinished” to him > https://musicbrainz.org/edit/78329072
Digging a bit (copying my researchs below) it raises the below questions:
a) Do we accept to use “Intégrale” without any article (apply to case 3 and 4) (ex: Release group “Intégrale Studio” by Serge Reggiani - MusicBrainz)
b) Do we consider Titles finished when used without any complement (apply to case 2 and 4) (ex: Release group “Intégrale” by Noir Désir - MusicBrainz)
c) Do we consider Titles finished if the complement is not an artist name? (apply to 5) (ex: Release group “Intégrale 1961-1964” by Les Chaussettes Noires - MusicBrainz)
What s your view on those different cases?
adding @reosarevok as part of guidelines (sorry french case)
Personally I tend to agree on all as it seems accepted in musical industry and makes edits more simple but that s just my taste.
Depending of other users use, concensus may not be found, so there is also be the possibility to normalize only Release Group names (ex: Adding the artists names at release level only in order to have a “As cover” version and a “Normalized” one)
Researchs:
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Language:
https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/intégrale/43527
intégral - Définitions, synonymes, prononciation, exemples | Dico en ligne Le Robert
intégral, -ale | Dictionnaire de l’Académie française | 9e édition
It is normally an adjective (and so should always refer to a noun) but accepted as a noun in common/informal language.
Examples show it used alone or with a complement
Also Le nom sans déterminant
As a word it should be used with an article but it could be considered as cases 7 or 8. -
Existing releases:
Search results - MusicBrainz
https://www.discogs.com/search/?q=intégrale&type=release
No clear concensus sometimes used alone, sometimes used with a complement (not necessary artist name).
Then there is not enough cases (21 pages for MBz) to set up a guideline based only on those.
Looking for “Best of” equivalent Search results - MusicBrainz
there are neither many cases to look at but it seems to match english rule: When it s “Le Meilleur” or “Les Meilleurs” artist is not doubled and when its “Le Meilleur de” the artist is added.
Looking on the english ones:
Searching for “The Best” or “Best” there are dozens of examples without complement
Trying to find a translation https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/french-english/intégral it could compared to “complete works”
Searching for “complete” there are some cases showing “Complete” only but most have a complement
Anyway remain subjective as done by eye, it would require real statistics to make it a fact
Based on those we could say that:
- In proper french it should be used as an adjective only: So “L’Édition intégrale” is acceptable ex: Release group “L'édition intégrale” by Samson François - MusicBrainz
- It can be used as a noun if there is an article. So “L’Intégrale” is acceptable ex: Release group “Claude Bolling – Les Parisiennes : L’Intégrale” by Les Parisiennes et Claude Bolling - MusicBrainz
- It seems not proper french to use it as a noun without an article. So “Intégrale” is discutable ex: Release group “Intégrale” by Noir Désir - MusicBrainz (Proper french should be L’Intégrale)
- It seems not proper french to use it as a noun without an article even there is a complement. So “Intégrale XXX” is discutable ex: Release group “Intégrale IAM” by IAM - MusicBrainz (proper French should be L’Intégrale d’IAM or IAM : L’Intégrale)
- Guidelines recommend not to use performer names in Title except artist intent or unfinished titles.