# Different behavior during Submit ID - CD stub found
**URL:** https://community.metabrainz.org/t/different-behavior-during-submit-id-cd-stub-found/698059
**Category:** MusicBrainz
**Created:** [May 30, 2024, 6:04pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/different-behavior-during-submit-id-cd-stub-found/698059 "2024-05-30T18:04:55Z")
**Posts on this page:** 15
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### Author:  [@Deleted\_Editor\_2071313](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/Deleted_Editor_2071313)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2024, 6:04pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/different-behavior-during-submit-id-cd-stub-found/698059/1 "2024-05-30T18:04:55Z")
> [@The General Chatter/Off Topic Thread](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/the-general-chatter-off-topic-thread/555432/633):
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> New useful MusicBrainz element when entering CD. đ
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> However, this âPlays onâ CD exists in the database.
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> But Picard Lookup didnât see her.
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> [Release group âPlays Onâ by Climax Blues Band - MusicBrainz](https://musicbrainz.org/release-group/f7a8a333-70e5-3f3f-86ae-d93b2385cf3c)
This happened during the Submit ID of The Climax Blues Bandâs album âPlays Onâ.
The system itself completed the phrase in the Release title or MBID field.
Now I wonât do it again because Submit ID shows my Disc ID.
[https://musicbrainz.org/cdtoc/attach?id=cZjAQU\_JRue3MGIsVqptR0SCiOg-&tracks=9&toc=1+9+197725+150+35392+55205+80237+93890+110697+125660+155167+170147&tport=8000](https://musicbrainz.org/cdtoc/attach?id=cZjAQU_JRue3MGIsVqptR0SCiOg-&tracks=9&toc=1+9+197725+150+35392+55205+80237+93890+110697+125660+155167+170147&tport=8000)
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### Author:  [@ernstlx](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/ernstlx)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/different-behavior-during-submit-id-cd-stub-found/698059/2 "2024-05-30T19:31:53Z")
You just added this disc ID (TOC) to the release - before that there was no matching disc ID for a release, only for a CD stub. Therefore you could have used it for a new release or you could have searched for a matching release with the title pre-filled.
Afterwards there was a matching release with your disc ID.
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### Author:  [@Deleted\_Editor\_2071313](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/Deleted_Editor_2071313)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2024, 7:37pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/different-behavior-during-submit-id-cd-stub-found/698059/3 "2024-05-30T19:37:23Z")
@ernstlx
The thing is that the system never showed âCD stub foundâ and titles written in capital letters in this section.
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### Author:  [@ernstlx](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/ernstlx)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/different-behavior-during-submit-id-cd-stub-found/698059/4 "2024-05-30T19:42:59Z")
> [@Deleted\_Editor\_2071313](#):
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> âCD stub foundâ
⌠is only displayed if there is one found and no release. In most cases you will not have it displayed.
The capital letters for titles is how it was stored (I donât think itâs always like that, but I havenât seen many CD stubs myself)
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### Author:  [@IvanDobsky](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/IvanDobsky)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2024, 7:48pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/different-behavior-during-submit-id-cd-stub-found/698059/5 "2024-05-30T19:48:26Z")
I believe CD stubs are just something ancient that is not used anymore. They were submitted to a different not MusicBrainz system and were initially used to fill some of the DiscIDs in the pre-NGS days. What I have noticed is they are very random hit and miss as to how accurate they were.
The fact you are seeing ALL CAPS track names is more from bad old data from a different source.
Best off just ignoring them and submitting real DiscIDs.
Found something in the wiki, dates from 2008 according to the wiki history.
> **[CD Stub - MusicBrainz Wiki](https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/CD_Stub)**
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### Author:  [@ernstlx](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/ernstlx)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/different-behavior-during-submit-id-cd-stub-found/698059/6 "2024-05-30T19:52:01Z")
> [@IvanDobsky](#):
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> is not used anymore.
âŚbut CD stubs can still be useful if you have track 1 to track n, because your CDâs subchannel contains no information and there is (of course) no release with a matching disc ID.
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### Author:  [@IvanDobsky](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/IvanDobsky)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/different-behavior-during-submit-id-cd-stub-found/698059/7 "2024-05-30T19:54:12Z")
> [@ernstlx](#):
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> CD stubs can still be useful
Maybe they are. I donât know. Just not really clear which release they are attached to when they are submitted anonymously. My only real experience of them is in pre-NGS histories where they have been pretty wildly out. (i.e. CD-R homebrews) I just grew to not trust them. Maybe unfair of me. đ
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### Author:  [@ernstlx](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/ernstlx)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2024, 7:56pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/different-behavior-during-submit-id-cd-stub-found/698059/8 "2024-05-30T19:56:12Z")
You can use it as a starting point, but you will have to check and correct details.
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### Author:  [@Deleted\_Editor\_2071313](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/Deleted_Editor_2071313)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2024, 10:30am UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/different-behavior-during-submit-id-cd-stub-found/698059/9 "2024-06-15T10:30:45Z")
One more CD Stub example.
Pay attention to the order of the tabs in the yellow rectangle in the screenshots.
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### Author:  [@ernstlx](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/ernstlx)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2024, 6:56pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/different-behavior-during-submit-id-cd-stub-found/698059/10 "2024-06-15T18:56:09Z")
looks like the column headers are wrong. I would not have noticed that. You could disable scripts and check again.
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### Author:  [@Deleted\_Editor\_2071313](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/Deleted_Editor_2071313)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2024, 7:01pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/different-behavior-during-submit-id-cd-stub-found/698059/11 "2024-06-15T19:01:54Z")
[quote=âEchelon69, post:1, topic:698059, full:trueâ]
> [@The General Chatter/Off Topic Thread](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/the-general-chatter-off-topic-thread/555432/633):
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> Now I wonât do it again because Submit ID shows my Disc ID.
I donât use any scripts.
Only Picard Lookup.
It looks like CD stub picked up an old version of the page (different HTML) from the server.
Incredible! đ
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### Author:  [@ernstlx](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/ernstlx)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2024, 8:15pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/different-behavior-during-submit-id-cd-stub-found/698059/12 "2024-06-15T20:15:04Z")
I donât think itâs about cached content. Itâs quite possible, that headers were forgotten, when the table was changed. This view is rarely shown and I would not have noticed such a problem in all future. I would have been more focused on whatâs being offered. đ
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### Author:  [@Deleted\_Editor\_2071313](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/Deleted_Editor_2071313)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/different-behavior-during-submit-id-cd-stub-found/698059/13 "2024-06-15T20:20:15Z")
You can check the logs on the server. đ
I will provide all data.
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### Author:  [@ernstlx](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/ernstlx)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2024, 8:38pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/different-behavior-during-submit-id-cd-stub-found/698059/14 "2024-06-15T20:38:37Z")
No, I canât, but you could write a ticket.
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### Author:  [@Deleted\_Editor\_2071313](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/Deleted_Editor_2071313)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2024, 8:44pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/different-behavior-during-submit-id-cd-stub-found/698059/15 "2024-06-15T20:44:37Z")
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