Could someone please check these new entries?

There was a 2017 mix. Two song-cycles with 4 parts each. No problem there. The CD has the four parts indexed as separate parts so I added them as separate tracks (with the cycle part as part of the title) and related works.

But then there was a 2019 remix.

The second part of Epiphany was left out of the remix. The LP has the shortened version of Epiphany with parts a, c, and d.
The CD, however, adds part b as a separate bonus track at the end of Epiphany, in the same CD index.

Could someone have a look at my solution for this? Is this accroding to MB standards for edge cases like this? Or do I need to change anything?


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Looks pretty good to me (though I’m not the last authority on this, I’m relatively new to MB), but I think, there’s another problem. Should original mix and 2019 remix really be in the same release group? Or is the remix that close to the original that it could have been marketed as the same product?

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Ah, never thought of that. I don’t know what the exact definition of a release group on MB is.

I have both versions and they sound very similar except for (re)moving one song. Remix, remaster, I don’t actually know what they’re doing to the music then.

“A release group , just as the name suggests, is used to group several different releases into a single logical entity.” - Is that helpful? Everywhere you look are borderline cases. Artists seem to refuse all attempts to have them properly integrated into the database. :wink:

According to Discogs, it is in the same release group:
Aldi Dallo Spazio ‎– Quasar

But is it a remix then? Is it not kind of different edit of the same recording?

OK, then we have the same definition. :slight_smile:

It is. I was reacting to the question whether it should have its own release group.

As Discogs put them into the same release group, I would do the same. But I don’t think the 2019 version should be a remix. 2017 was a self-released CDr. 2019 was the real thing, the label-released album. So this shouldn’t be a remix of the first release, although technically it was. I think there must be another recording relationship.

Interesting. As a non musical tech I don’t know what would classify as a remix, then. It shouldn’t be a remix while technically it was? I don’t understand. If there’s a better relation, I will change it of course.

Is it a “remix”, as in, different music based off the original tracks?
Or is it a “new mix”, meaning an audio engineer has mixed the existing recordings differently?

“remix” = new release group
“new mix” = same release group

Not sure if that clears it up, but worth a shot! :slight_smile:

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To be honest, I don’t see the difference in the definitions between “different music based off the original tracks” and “mixed the existing recordings differently”.

Do you mean a remix is like those 1980s 12" extended remixes?

For example, Nektar. Their album A Tab In The Ocean was remixed (in the 1970s definition of the term). Same recordings, but a guitar and keyboards got a different volume level. With longer and shorter fades, one track was slightly longer than the original mix.
To me that is the same release group. Same album, same recordings, just different mix.

If we’re using the newer definition of a remix then it’s probably not something I have in my entire collection. :wink: By all definitions I can think of, the album in my OP belongs in the same release group.

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I think this is more typically called a “remaster”, rathern than a “remix”?

But remix/edit/cover/etc. terminology is extremely fluent and definitely not clearly defined. In modern electronic music, the technical differences vanish even more (since adjusting the volume of a track in a DAW is basically just as much work as adding more or replacing it with another track).

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Your example for Nektar is a good description of remixing ‘existing recordings’ (eg. upping the volume on the guitar and keyboard tracks). Same release group :slight_smile:

Without going into detail, if the track was called something like ‘Nektar (Drum and Bass remix)’, then that single would most likely be a different release group.

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Hm, that term is used more often than remix. I’ll stick to your definition of this, makes more sense. My taste is far from modern electronic music so that makes it a little easier for stuff in my collection. :wink: