The two CDs are not in the same jewel case. If you buy the CD in certain stores, you will be given a bonus CD at the register.There is no other way to obtain the discs.
Reference URL:【オンライン限定商品】 Eve おとぎ（通常盤）ガラクターモンスター （TSUTAYA特典CD付） 邦楽 - ambassademali.de
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Was it available with any other releases? If yes, then promotion makes sense.
If only available with this release, then it just just a special edition.
Pretty common to see this. Also seen a variation where specifically coloured vinyl is only available from a certain shop.
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For this situation, with each store giving out different bonus discs, I think it makes sense for each of the bonus discs to be added as separate “promotion” releases in the same release group.
There are actually 8 releases:
- LE first press (CD + DVD) TFCC-86664
- Regular press (CD) TFCC-86665
- Pre-order bonus (Promotion DVD)
- Animate LE first press (CD + DVD + Bonus CD) TFCP-86666
- Animate Regular press (CD + Bonus CD) TFCP-86667
- Tower Records bonus CD (Promotion CD)
- TSUTAYA bonus CD (Promotion CD)
- Village Vanguard bonus CD (Promotion CD)
If you check the catalog numbers for the Animate releases on MINC, you will see that the bonus CD is bundled in with the main release. For that reason, you should not separate the Animate bonus CD as a separate release.
Granted, it will be a lot of work, but it is the closest to the truth.
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I don’t think this is what “promotional” means, in MusicBrainz terms. I believe it mostly refers to stuff like copies of a release distributed to radio and TV stations for airplay and the like
either way, if these bonus discs aren’t different versions of the same release, I don’t think they’d belong in the same release group (if they’re seperate releases, which I think the bonus disc should be part of the release it comes with)
Closest to the truth looks like these are all two CD editions. Each with the same first disc. If they are not available separately, don’t list them separately.
I’d put disambigs that match the main titles in your 1 to 8 list.
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That’s an interesting case, reminds me on this talking: https://community.metabrainz.org/t/dealing-with-physical-releases-containing-dl-codes-for-bonus-tracks/ which remains unsolved. Edits being made differently depending on artist instant and content.
As the discs were not physically linked together we could imagine splitting them (except the cases mentioned by @arifer ) but then (as spotted by @UltimateRiff) those extra discs may have to end up in a separate release group(s) depending of their content.
What is exactly on those bonus CDs? (from my searches seems older songs from Eve) If so, yes they will belong to different RGs then it may be clearer to display them as 2 CDs releases along the other ones.
PS: Then for the 2 other releases that offer only goodies (Amazon.jp version and 応援店) it could be mentioned in annotation of main release
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Eve 4th Album おとぎ 特典CD (Otogi Bonus Disc)
Animate edition:Acoustic ver.
1.トーキョーゲットー (This song is included in 4th AL “Otogi”)
2.会心劇 (This song is included in 3rd AL “Bunka”)
TOWER RECORDS
1.チョコレートタウン (Self-cover of a song composed for Sou)
TSUTAYA
1.ガラクタモンスター (Self-cover of a song composed for 天月-あまつき-)
ヴィレッジヴァンガード
1.ぼっちらじお2 (Audio of Eve just talking, NOT song)
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The problem here is that there really is no clear definition of a “promotional release” in the documentations. It can be interpreted the way you explained it here, and at the same time it can also be interpreted the way @yakumo0209 did by saying that it is “intended to help the record company increase CD sales”. I am of the opinion that it is both. Copies of releases distributed to media stations were done so with the intention of increase awareness of the release for the purpose of increasing (CD or online) sales. These may include tracks in the main official release, but it may also be special bonus tracks that are only available through pre-orders, special store tie-ups, etc. What we have here is that the label company that took charge of the marketing for this release probably used the card of having a bonus CD for special (big name) stores in Japan to promote the pre-sales and actual sales of the release.
I disagree with this because it is impossible to justify creating new release groups for the individual bonus releases. Firstly, if new release groups were to be created for the Tower Records, TSUTAYA, and Village Vanguard bonus CDs, it is imperative that the same be done for the Animate bonus CD. However, the Animate bonus CD comes in the same physical package as the main release. Having some of the bonus CDs as separate release group while one be in the original release group is contradictory.
The second reason will only be valid if we can see these bonus CDs as promotional releases for the reasons I provided above. Assuming that to be the case, promotional versions of a release are expected to be grouped into the same release group as the original release (as found in the documentation). Once again, this just boils down to the lack of clarity as to what defines a “promotional release” on MB.
Yep, they are really just different versions of 2 CD editions (LE first press & regular). Some of the bonus CDs are bundled together (specifically for the 2 editions from Animate), whereas the others are only available separately.
Adding a disambiguation to each of the releases will definitely be necessary for sure.
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Doing a quick search on Mercari for “EVE おとぎ 特典CD”, we get a lot more information about the bonus CDs. Firstly, we can see that indeed, the TSUTAYA bonus CD, Tower Records bonus CD, Village Vanguard bonus CD, as well as the pre-order bonus DVD all come in clear jewel cases. Secondly, the catalog numbers for the bonus CDs are printed on the CD itself!
- Tower Records bonus CD PRTF-8557
- TSUTAYA bonus CD PRTF-8558
- Village Vanguard bonus CD PRTF-8559
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I edited it, is it what you say it is?
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It is defined here:
A give-away release or a release intended to promote an upcoming official release (e.g. pre-release versions, releases included with a magazine, versions supplied to radio DJs for air-play).
This case is not included in that example.
I think it’s still missing the pre-order bonus DVD (#3 on my list above).
To be very honest, I’m not sure if the titles for the promotion CDs should be that, I was thinking that maybe they should just be “特典CD” and then the information of the stores should be made clear in the disambiguation. Nevertheless, they will still work, and they make sense too.
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Wow, I keep forgetting there was a wiki subdomain. ^^;
Anyways, you’re right, it is defined as such. However, these bonus CDs/DVD fall in none of the statuses as defined in the wiki, let alone as a promotional release. Out of the only 2 possible statuses, official or promotion, bonus CDs/DVD, that are obtained only with the official release for the limited period of time it is available for the purpose of further promoting sales of the release, should count as promotional releases.
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I was implying that it doesn’t fall under the MB definition of ‘promotional’. Maybe the definition is incomplete - does the style-lead @reosarevok have any thoughts?
My personal opinion, if you are purchasing a product and it comes with extras I don’t see how that is promotional. It would start being very hard to define - and you will have cases where there is no official release at all, where all versions have something specific to an outlet. As said by others, adding these as a 2-CD release seems to be the norm, and hasn’t caused any trouble that I’ve seen.
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I adopted the notation on the CD as it was written on the disc.
I also forgot to add the pre-order bonus DVD.
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In my opinion, the album and the bonus CD should be released separately since they are not in the same package. And they are given different catalog numbers.
By the way, the catalog number of the bonus disc starts with “PRTF”, and I think “PR” refers to PRomotion.
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They were not sold separately, they were sold together.
That’s still the same release (this that shop pre-order edition), to me.
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One release for both, with both catalog numbers on it, seems like the simplest way to do this for me to be honest.
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・初回限定盤 CD+DVD
・通常盤 CD
・初回限定盤 予約特典つき CD+DVD+Bonus DVD
・通常盤 予約特典つき CD+Bonus DVD
・初回限定盤 アニメイト盤 CD+DVD+Bonus CD
・通常盤 アニメイト盤 CD+Bonus CD
・初回限定盤 アニメイト盤 予約特典つき CD+DVD+Bonus CD+Bonus DVD
・通常盤 アニメイト盤 予約特典つき CD+Bonus CD+Bonus DVD
・初回限定盤 タワーレコード特典つき CD+DVD+Bonus CD
・通常盤 タワーレコード特典つき CD+Bonus CD
・初回限定盤 タワーレコード特典つき 予約特典つき CD+DVD+Bonus CD+Bonus DVD
・通常盤 タワーレコード特典つき 予約特典つき CD+Bonus CD+Bonus DVD
・初回限定盤 TSUTAYA特典つき CD+DVD+Bonus CD
・通常盤 TSUTAYA特典つき CD+Bonus CD
・初回限定盤 TSUTAYA特典つき 予約特典つき CD+DVD+Bonus CD+Bonus DVD
・通常盤 TSUTAYA特典つき 予約特典つき CD+Bonus CD+Bonus DVD
・初回限定盤 VV特典つき CD+DVD+Bonus CD
・通常盤 VV特典つき CD+Bonus CD
・初回限定盤 VV特典つき 予約特典つき CD+DVD+Bonus CD+Bonus DVD
・通常盤 VV特典つき 予約特典つき CD+Bonus CD+Bonus DVD
Creating this amount of releases would be too redundant. And if we separate them in each release, doesn’t that mean that we should create other versions of the release that come with non-CD bonus (posters, etc.)?
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