# Apple Digital Masters series causing editing problems **URL:** \ **Category:** MusicBrainz\ **Tags:** release, release-editor, series, bug\ **Created:** [January 23, 2025, 8:05pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427 "2025-01-23T20:05:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tigerman325](https://community.metabrainz.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/b9bd4f/32.png) [@tigerman325](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/tigerman325)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 8:05pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/1 "2025-01-23T20:05:49Z")
I’ve been meaning to bring this up for a long time. I know I added a ton of releases a while back to this “series,” and there are still editors adding this information as a “series.” This has made it impossible to edit all the releases attached to it. I’m asking editors to please stop adding releases to this series. I have GB speed and can no longer make even a single edit to a release event. I’m not sure if series were intended to be used like this, but this one and others, like TIDAL masters, Dolby Atmos, etc., will eventually become slow to edit as well. I wish there was another way to present this information, but I stopped adding releases to this series a while back because it was becoming so hard to edit them. ---
**Author:** ![sound.and.vision](https://community.metabrainz.org/user_avatar/community.metabrainz.org/sound.and.vision/32/35417_2.png) [@sound.and.vision](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/sound.and.vision)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 8:11pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/2 "2025-01-23T20:11:34Z")
so i’m curious on this… you mention for example you can’t edit this - [Release “Far Beyond Driven” by Pantera - MusicBrainz](https://musicbrainz.org/release/60ff9301-4167-4ee8-b467-06b42d8c5147) but I can edit that release without much hassle (either Edit / Edit Relationships) series should definitely be able to handle many thousands of entities - considering we have this series which is due to reach 250,000 entries (if not more if you want to track variations) eventually: > **[Roud Folk Song Index](https://musicbrainz.org/series/4e817004-53ed-438e-96da-88e27fb8d872)** > > Work series ---
**Author:** ![tigerman325](https://community.metabrainz.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/b9bd4f/32.png) [@tigerman325](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/tigerman325)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 8:18pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/3 "2025-01-23T20:18:08Z")
I can edit relationships, no problem. I can’t edit the release events. I used to be eventually get them to go through after hitting enter multiple times. Now I get gateway timeouts every time. It used to handle single edits at a time without many timeouts. But now I try as much as ten times pressing the enter and they timeout. I can’t change that release from US to blank without it timing out. ---
**Author:** ![sound.and.vision](https://community.metabrainz.org/user_avatar/community.metabrainz.org/sound.and.vision/32/35417_2.png) [@sound.and.vision](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/sound.and.vision)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 8:22pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/4 "2025-01-23T20:22:05Z")
interesting - you’re right, i get a “error 504” when trying to commit any edit regarding the release event with that release. Not sure why it being part/not part of a series would cause that, surely that would be auxillary to the actual release information. The only time I recall us having issues with slow down is when the page renders data, not when it is being edited. I think this one needs to be opened as a JIRA ticket tbh - I’ll raise one now unless you have? ---
**Author:** ![sound.and.vision](https://community.metabrainz.org/user_avatar/community.metabrainz.org/sound.and.vision/32/35417_2.png) [@sound.and.vision](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/sound.and.vision)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 8:26pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/5 "2025-01-23T20:26:06Z")
ok so we’ve got a few tickets raised for this created 10th Feb 2023 : MBS-12892 > created 22nd October 2022 - MBS-12682 > created 12 September 2021 - MBS-11955 > _this one is actually about the OverClocked ReMix series instead_ ---
**Author:** ![tigerman325](https://community.metabrainz.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/b9bd4f/32.png) [@tigerman325](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/tigerman325)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/6 "2025-01-23T20:32:02Z")
Not sure why. But I know it is that series causing the issue. [Edit #120415371](https://musicbrainz.org/edit/120415371) & [Edit #120872535](https://musicbrainz.org/edit/120872535) ---
**Author:** ![sound.and.vision](https://community.metabrainz.org/user_avatar/community.metabrainz.org/sound.and.vision/32/35417_2.png) [@sound.and.vision](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/sound.and.vision)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 8:33pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/7 "2025-01-23T20:33:58Z")
yep but going by those JIRA tickets there is more of an underlying fault here, as other large Release Series seem to have this fault. Reading between the lines it seems that it was hoped the changed to the edit pages would resolve this but I believe that is now done for release entities (maybe not series?) and the issue still stands ---
**Author:** ![yindesu](https://community.metabrainz.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/b77776/32.png) [@yindesu](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/yindesu)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 8:42pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/8 "2025-01-23T20:42:14Z")
It’s not exactly a valid release series either. ---
**Author:** ![sound.and.vision](https://community.metabrainz.org/user_avatar/community.metabrainz.org/sound.and.vision/32/35417_2.png) [@sound.and.vision](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/sound.and.vision)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 8:45pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/9 "2025-01-23T20:45:04Z")
regardless of it being valid or not, the issue pertains that if a series gets too big it causes backend issues with editing which is what should really be addressed ---
**Author:** ![kellnerd](https://community.metabrainz.org/user_avatar/community.metabrainz.org/kellnerd/32/66963_2.png) [@kellnerd](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/kellnerd)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 10:33pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/10 "2025-01-23T22:33:10Z")
> … is the main ticket, I guess. So the combination of too many release events and the huge series is most likely the cause of this specific issue. ---
**Author:** ![Comrade\_Mike](https://community.metabrainz.org/user_avatar/community.metabrainz.org/comrade_mike/32/60973_2.png) [@Comrade\_Mike](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/Comrade_Mike)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 8:09am UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/11 "2025-01-25T08:09:16Z")
@HibiscusKazeneko , care to comment in the thread you’re using to justify the [mass removal of releases from series](https://musicbrainz.org/series/73711d69-edfc-47c4-b71a-95232e6b6ada/open_edits)? ---
**Author:** ![IvanDobsky](https://community.metabrainz.org/user_avatar/community.metabrainz.org/ivandobsky/32/11785_2.png) [@IvanDobsky](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/IvanDobsky)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 9:09am UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/12 "2025-01-25T09:09:42Z")
They are also deleting the Dolby Atmos series. And others. [https://musicbrainz.org/series/73711d69-edfc-47c4-b71a-95232e6b6ada](https://musicbrainz.org/series/73711d69-edfc-47c4-b71a-95232e6b6ada) [https://musicbrainz.org/series/94d11ddb-4975-4737-b3c8-a50fe5e0a7f6](https://musicbrainz.org/series/94d11ddb-4975-4737-b3c8-a50fe5e0a7f6) [https://musicbrainz.org/series/b1cead18-3780-44fd-bcac-d87fe7c8750f](https://musicbrainz.org/series/b1cead18-3780-44fd-bcac-d87fe7c8750f) I don’t see what is wrong with that kind of series. ---
**Author:** ![agatzk](https://community.metabrainz.org/user_avatar/community.metabrainz.org/agatzk/32/44684_2.png) [@agatzk](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/agatzk)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 5:50pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/13 "2025-01-25T17:50:45Z")
I noticed the site was very slow this morning - enough to make me close it and do other things. Could these mass removals be causing the general slowness (e.g. adding new releases to non-famous artists)? I’m indifferent to whether they are “valid” as series, but if we have a technical issue causing the release event edits to be non-functional, I prefer to remove them. ---
**Author:** ![HibiscusKazeneko](https://community.metabrainz.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HibiscusKazeneko](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/HibiscusKazeneko)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 8:22pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/14 "2025-01-25T20:22:53Z")
I want to avoid the issues presented by OP in this thread. Those series are so massive already (and there’s even more out there that we haven’t uncovered yet) that over time it will become impossible to edit the releases contained in the series without being hit with 504s every time. ---
**Author:** ![yindesu](https://community.metabrainz.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/b77776/32.png) [@yindesu](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/yindesu)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 2:20am UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/15 "2025-01-26T02:20:19Z")
> [@IvanDobsky](#): > > I don’t see what is wrong with that kind of series. There is nothing serial in nature **(i.e., numbered)** about random releases mastered by random people for random artists belonging to different record labels that aren’t collaborating with each other. ---
**Author:** ![afrocat](https://community.metabrainz.org/user_avatar/community.metabrainz.org/afrocat/32/64972_2.png) [@afrocat](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/afrocat)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 3:08am UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/16 "2025-01-26T03:08:01Z")
I wonder if a public collection would make more sense to “store” these releases, they all have _something_ in common, at least. ---
**Author:** ![HibiscusKazeneko](https://community.metabrainz.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HibiscusKazeneko](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/HibiscusKazeneko)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 3:34am UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/17 "2025-01-26T03:34:51Z")
That or a folksonomy tag. The latter is vulnerable to vandalism by trolls, however. ---
**Author:** ![IvanDobsky](https://community.metabrainz.org/user_avatar/community.metabrainz.org/ivandobsky/32/11785_2.png) [@IvanDobsky](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/IvanDobsky)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 9:16am UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/18 "2025-01-26T09:16:52Z")
> [@yindesu](#): > > random releases mastered by random people Yeah, agree with the “random mastering” on the Apple Masters releases. Not sure if that can be said about the Dolby Atmos\360 Audio\Surround releases. > [@yindesu](#): > > There is nothing serial in nature **(i.e., numbered)** A “Series” does not have to be in an order. I’m not going to spend more time in this debate. I just find it strange that valid data is being removed without any discussion. Or allowing the site to get updated to handle these better. ---
**Author:** ![sound.and.vision](https://community.metabrainz.org/user_avatar/community.metabrainz.org/sound.and.vision/32/35417_2.png) [@sound.and.vision](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/sound.and.vision)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 2:37pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/19 "2025-01-26T14:37:51Z")
I don’t see the point in removing data to try and work around obvious bugs and issues - just leave it as is and wait for the fix ---
**Author:** ![UltimateRiff](https://community.metabrainz.org/user_avatar/community.metabrainz.org/ultimateriff/32/47799_2.png) [@UltimateRiff](https://community.metabrainz.org/u/UltimateRiff)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 3:41pm UTC](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427/20 "2025-01-26T15:41:59Z")
> [@yindesu](#): > > There is nothing serial in nature **(i.e., numbered)** about random releases mastered by random people for random artists belonging to different record labels that aren’t collaborating with each other. from what I’ve seen, it’s marketed as a series, so I see no issue there for it being a series. a MusicBrainz series doesn’t require it be numbered, just look at [20th Century Masters](https://musicbrainz.org/series/05c4d828-ce5f-4e6f-9d1b-fecadea100bf) or [Spotify Sessions](https://musicbrainz.org/series/2b5a3f6c-c625-4236-b5b5-79ec11015b6f) I also think mass removal of legit data like this is a mistake, at least until we hear from a dev or our glorious style leader [Next page](https://community.metabrainz.org/t/apple-digital-masters-series-causing-editing-problems/739427.md?page=2)